Gstein covered pretty much how I feel about it and to Jeneni, if you get a media extender then you can watch all of your downloads on that nice 40".

pizzabot

Yes. I have. Why? Two words: Xbox streaming. I can't stream Hulu to my Xbox.

thegsusfreek

I think a huge reason is incapsulated in this message from the Fox.com website:

'Thank you for your interest in FOX.
This service is currently available to viewers living in the United States.'

It's like the southpark website, it'd be nice to be able to watch southpark online but alas they only offer it to the US.

Klopfer123

Yes, when there have been issues with my DVR auto-deleting stuff I haven't watched. Using bittorrent is way easier then going to a site and watching the show on my desktop.

microe

What The Geek pretty much covered it for me... but I'll add one thing: why watch it on my monitor when we have a 40" HD LCD TV? Seriously.

Jeneni

Also, I don't think anyone in this proclaimed group downloads out of "habit." If anything, those folks are all about trying new things. I don't think they'd stick to piracy if they found a better way to do things. Those new things just have to actually be better.

Tony Bullard

i *suspect* that it's the ability to RSS shows, so someone can auto-download, then watch whenever they want, plus the fact that it's higher quality than hulu or any of the network's websites. (plus the lack of ads, and the .avi or .mkvs are fully seekable, which wasnot true of some of the network websites i saw)

Gstein

I've also got to agree with most of the comments, there are some shows I like to watch in a marathon fasion and I don't want it taking up space in my DVR for 6+ months. By downloading, I can store them in HD quality on my computer and watch when I'm ready. I also can watch them on my television in great quality and not the blurry substitute that is required if I have to watch on Hulu.

I think the downloading and the freedom you get with having the file to move it where you please are the top reasons though. You aren't always connected to the internet.

tblain

I almost always grab any tv show I'm going to get from the internet by torrent. There's a few reasons why:

1. No DRM. If I recorded it using a VCR, there wouldn't be DRM - digital media is just another form of recording.

2. Usability - I can view just about anything gotten from a torrent on my Xbox 360 or PS3. I don't have to watch it sitting in my computer chair, I can sit back and enjoy the show on my couch.

3. No chance it will go away. Some companies rotate what videos they stream. If it's on my hard drive, and I like it, I keep it.

Let me be clear about a few things here. I don't use piracy as a means for avoiding paying for something I like. If I like a show, I get the DVD. Usually, I then rip that dvd to my hard drive so I can just browse to it from my 360 or PS3. When a studio offers up an alternative that meets my personal needs, I'll switch over to it. In the case of basic cable, I'm not inclined to buy shows off of iTunes or the XBLM. I already pay for basic cable. Had I recorded the show myself, I wouldn't be paying for it a second time, so (with few exceptions) I don't pay a second time through those services. A DVD is a little different. With a DVD I get special features, deleted scenes, and production info I wouldn't have had access to otherwise. It's well worth the money in many cases. I want to be clear here - I'm not a pirate. I don't grab gigs and gigs of movies, video games, and software all willy nilly. I grab some TV that I'm already paying for with my cable subscription. If the studios loosen their grip a bit, they might find people like me inclined to go through legitimate channels to get their content. If iTunes and XBLM didn't come with such restrictive DRM, I'd buy more single episodes.

What The Geek

Another is due to cheap HardDrive!!
I got two 500G for $100 each this January and now a 500G is only around $60. It is so cheap to save everything in Digital around your life. So why not save a nice TV Show? even in HD format.

jraynorlxx

As people have pointed out elsewhere, some of the people who downloaded Prison Break didn't have the option of watching it for free... because Hulu and Fox.com only let you watch videos in the United States.
Aside from that, I really haven't seen much advertising from various sites about "official" places you can watch their shows online -- with the exception of South Park Studios. My friends are used to watching things on YouTube - even with things I thought were fairly well publicized, like the Olympics, they would say, "Oh, let's see if that's been pulled from YouTube yet" and I would say, "Um, guys, you know we could also visit the official site, right?"
I can definitely believe that people will continue to get the shows in whatever manner they've been watching them before. Both because there are people who might not know that there is another method available, and because given the choice between a method where they can get the entire show in the format they want without any additional annoyances, and a new method with all kinds of additional (often artificial) restrictions, the old method wins.

ejoy

I watch shows at lunch, but streaming media is grounds for immediate termination where I work (federal facility). P2P is the most convenient way to get shows, even shows I already have on my TiVo, because I don't have to transfer them and transcode them. I don't care about commercials being there or not being there, that's how the shows get paid for and I'm fine with that. I care about portability.

revmatty

The thing to note here is that it's really two different kinds of convenience. Hulu and/or Network websites are legal, and streaming means you can start watching immediately from the time the network releases the show for streaming. Bittorrent, on the other hand, is available for download as soon as someone puts up a torrent. Given the speed of broadband, this can be much sooner, depending on what timezone you're in (and whether the network staggers the viewing of the show depending on timezone)

Occasionally, just because a show will show up on a torrent faster than it will on Hulu or on the network website. At least in the US Hulu/SciFi/ABC/Whatever usually wait until the show has hit all time-zones before putting it up. On the other hand, being near the west coast, if someone on the east coast records the show and immmediately torrents it, I can typically have it downloaded and ready to watch before it even shows up on TV. If it's a show I'm not in a rush to see immediately, and it's already up, it's faster for me to just browse over to Hulu and stream it, not to mention no hard drive clogging.

callingshotgun

I have a cable modem, but refuse to pay for cable television. I liked the iTunes idea at first, but when NBC went off the wall and I couldn't get heroes I just decided to find another route.

Then I bought a playstation3 and a television. The PS3 with a uPnP server running on the iMac works wonders. I can watch what I want. Grab seasons, or start following a show all within a day or so. It's more convenient that way.

I don't like these web sites that offer it for free. I can't watch them on my television but just my computers. Hooking up the MBP to the TV and having to walk over there to click is annoying. I'd rather just use my PS3 controller to browse through my media.

maz

I've done it and my reasons are much like other people.

1)Free legal alternatives aren't usually HD. I download HD versions and watch them on my HDTV through the media center computer.
2)Often my internet service is wonky. It's easier to download it than constantly have to refresh the page or restart the browser to get the internet working again.
3)I can watch (or rewatch) a show at my leisure rather than having to worry if they're going to take it off their website at some random time.

I love Hulu, but it's frustrating. They commonly start out putting a series up the morning after it airs, but as the season goes on they gradually start spreading the time period out. First it's two days after it airs, then 5 days, then 8 days and then by the time you get to the end of the season you can't watch it until two weeks after it aired. They did this with BSG, Bones, Psych, and probably others I don't even watch. I'm sure they do this thinking it will drive people to watch it on TV instead, but all it does is make me find another way to watch it because I work nights and there's no way for me to catch the original TV airing. I would gladly accept more advertising and commercials from Hulu, if they'd just quit screwing with the schedule.

JNS

If hulu.com worked on my XBMC at my TV, I'd totally use it.

Tony Bullard

"Free" alternatives are not usually accessible outside American borders.

owens

I live in the UK, and while we do get shows quite soon after the US, I still prefer to download shows. I can then watch them on my TV using XBMC, something I can't do with Iplayer, 4OD, or any other service available in the UK. I do download some BBC programmes using Iplayer and watch them on my laptop but if I have the choice I always prefer downloading and watching on my TV.

Just for the record my house subscribe to the top Sky package (full movies and sports) so I feel a lot less guilty about downloading a programme to watch than having to stay in on a friday night (when Sky have decided to show Prison Break). Now if we had Sky+ then I would think again...

dangermoose

It is more convenient. 20 minutes after a show is finished airing I can download a higher quality, more versatile file. If the networks offered something like this, I'd gladly pay for it. Until then, I'm going for quality and convenience over legality. Besides, it's free to watch on TV and I'd go do something during the commercials anyway.

nihility

I like watching a show on my HDTV, not on a computer screen. Downloading it via BitTorrent and streaming it to my PS3 lets me do that.

MercuryShadow

I agree with those who cite the convenience. I like having a file that I can use on anything, a PS3, XBMC, etc. I also like having a file that I can reencode to fit my individual needs.

Even if I do watch a broadcast show on TV "proper," I promise I won't be watching any commercials anyway. I'll be fast forwarding with my DVR. I understand that this has led to the increased use of advertising through product placement. I have often wondered if they could justify releasing good quality, DRM-free, commercial free torrents by using the number of downloads as a selling point to product placement advertisers. They could tap a revenue source that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

matchsmalone

@aphexbr: Yes. I'm in Canada and I can't access Hulu and a bunch of other similar services. Some will even force you to sit through a bunch of commercials AND THEN tell you you're not allowed to view the content. Nuts to that. I'll stick with Miro, thanks. There's no advertising, and I can watch shows whenever I want, with or without an internet connection. I would gladly pay for a legal service like Miro.

maryrules

@t3knomanser: I use Miro and TVRSS and I really wouldn't mind if I downloaded "official" torrents from networks with ads mixed in. I know who pays for the production, I just don't want to pay for cable.

eagleapex

I think something blatantly obvious is being overlooked here:

for internationals (ie. people outside of the US), sites like Hulu/fox do not stream. This means that if they want to see it, they have to pirate it.

Also, often tv shows abroad run 1-2 seasons behind the current one. Another reason to download them.

For me personally, its A. Convenience. B. Quality (HD) C. Speed.

unruled

I would love if I could either download from hulu (keep the commercials in, I'm not going to be bothered ffwding) or watch hulu from a device already hooked to my tv. The problem is I have to jump through hoops to hook my laptop to my tv when I already have an xbox hooked up using XBMC.

brandon

One word: XBMC. Or maybe that counts as three words...

Anyway, with the setup of having a modded Xbox that can stream video from a hard drive across the network, I like to download the video files to my external drive, so I can throw them up on my tv.

Besides that, no commercials FTW. And torrent downloading is sometimes just plain fun to watch :D

On the flip side, I believe that the BitTorrent phenomenon could be taken advantage of by the TV companies (or corporations or networks or whatever they call themselves). I'm not sure exactly how, but I am absolutely positive that, given some proper innovation, tv networks could make tv torrents a win-win-win situation for themselves, possibly advertisers, and the viewers.

Perhaps a decent-quality torrent (or even multiple different-quality torrents) of an episode with one or two commercials thrown in, released within hours of the episode airing on the network. Depending on the show, the advertisers would get probably thousands, if not millions, of impressions. If there's some way for a tracker to track how many peers have gotten 100% (whether they seed or not), the network could charge advertisers on a per-download basis (up to a maximum number of downloads or a certain date). And viewers could have (preferably free) access to the torrents within hours after the show airs, which would be a LOT sooner than most fan-made torrents are put up.

eternicode

Agree with just about everything said above. I download most shows I watch through BT just because it's easier and more convenient.

I'd also point out that there are some (maybe many, maybe all) shows that don't go up on the network's website until sometime the next day. Often times a torrent is up within a couple hours and if I'm up late that night I may be able to watch it then. Just one more added convenience.

RZachSmith

If I miss an episode of my favorite TV show (note: I still prefer to watch it on TV), I'd much rather download it via BitTorrent and watch it at my leasure (not to mention, download several at a time if necessary) or stream it so I can watch it on my TV than sit there and stream it from their website, watch their ads, hope their network cooperates, and see it all on my 12.1" screen.

Yeah, some of it is the concept of owning it, but for me, it's mostly being able to watch it how and when I want to watch it.

Regarding file sharing of non-media, I'm in much the same boat. I've downloaded cracked full versions of software because the fully-functional trial version bugged me with its nagging me to pay to upgrade. Again, it's an issue of convenience.

Regarding the other file-sharing alternatives (the ones that make you pay), well, I'm a cheapskate, so as long as I still feel safe doing this, I'll probably keep doing it, and that's with all sorts of things, not just TV shows.

Platypus Man

Bittorrent is less hassle. Then I have a copy to keep, watch later if I don't have time right then and there.

hbombx

better quality and place-shifting (to mobile, for example)

k4ffy

I don't own a DVR and streaming video sucks. Even on the T1 at work it freezes up right in the middle of a scene.

I prefer to DL torrents of TV shows I like and watch them at my leisure. Most of the time I delete them after I watch them, but sometimes I'll throw them on a DVD for a friend (I see no moral/ethical/legal difference between DLing and burning a torrent of a TV show than recording to VHS for a friend that can't watch the program for whatever reason).

I also like watching some shows in marathon fashion, so I'll often wait until the season is over and watch the whole season at once.

Zundfolge

@aphexbr: "down't"? Hmmm... wonder how I typed that? :P

aphexbr

Sure do, I'm not always home when a show is on basic cable. I'm not a kid anymore, I don't let TV schedules dictate when I will and will not watch a show, I prefer to choose, and I refuse to pay for a Tivo.

Mike Panic

I just don't like to stream the content. If they allowed you to actually download the shows I would think about it. From my experience I get better quality downloading P2P.

Now that I have an HD TiVo and an HD Tuner in my computer I don't download shows much, but I used to download every single show that I would watch (That is a lot of TV).

Ngagen

I can't go to Hulu or any of their media streaming websites on my Nokia n800 internet tablet. Not to mention I would need an active internet connection then.

I can however, download an episode, convert it into the format necessary for my tablet. And then watch it on there.

Ads, I don't really care about. Go ahead, put them in. I don't mind watching them (if they would allow me to download the episodes and convert them to whatever format I needed). Which of course means no DRM.

Oh and Linux support. Hulu and Fox are ok with this. But I think ABC requires some client you have to download that's Windows/Mac only.

LaughingMan1

There's other factors as well. People outside of the US are not able to access Hulu, etc., so download via P2P rather than wait the 6+ months it sometimes takes to get new series (I notice the article down't mention the location of the file sharers).

P2P downloads also usually have the ads removed, are ripped from HD sources, and can be transferred to DVD and/or portable devices with ease if the PC isn't your preferred viewing medium. Try doing that with a Fox.com stream.

aphexbr

For what it's worth, I'm willing to deal with an ad below the video since I can crop it out if I want (in the event that I wanted to keep it), or just deal with it if it was an episode of a crappy show that I missed.

illtron

Yes. Miro + TVRSS.Net = internet Tivo. Some shows I follow could easily be watched on the network's website, but it's easier to just let them appear in my inbox the next day.

t3knomanser

I go to bed around 9:00, which is before many shows air. Before I had a DVR, I set up TVShows to download torrents of shows I wanted to watch. Most of the time I had my copy by the next morning.

Now that I have a DVR I'll likely continue this practice. I can go back and watch episodes after they're deleted from the DVR, or wait until I have several episodes to watch before I get into it.

EchoD

I picked up a 1TB external drive not long ago, and I've started ripping all of my movies. Space is no longer an issue.

Hulu is nice if you can't get it any other way, but it's not at all convenient. I want to be able to download something and watch it later. Or again. Or on the road. Or hook my MacBook up to my TV and watch it there.

Here's what I would accept instead of a torrent (with a bone for advertisers thrown in): A downloadable file that's in true 720p, in real HD quality, as an mp4 file. Here's the bone to the advertisers: I'll accept an ad with it if it doesn't interrupt the video. Tack a few extra pixels onto the bottom of the picture if you want, but don't cover the video.

illtron

People like the concept of ownership/possession. And usually with these FREE alternatives, you still have to sit though advertisements. If you can watch a show unadulterated all the way though from start to finish, usually at a higher quality, then why not?

Joseph

It is just a lot easier to download the torrent of the show, and throw it on my media player for the commute to work. Plus I can watch the show at lunch.

iambeaker

Sure I have. Even when networks have HD programming available on their websites with limited commercials, my broadband always seems to skip 4 or 5 times during a show trying to keep up.

Plus, with the price drop over the past few years in HDDs, I can store the shows I download for later viewing and archiving.

RemmoSi

Most of my downloading is for older shows that I've developed an interest in later in the series. This way I can catch up from season 1 episode 1 at my own pace before watching new episodes on TV, which would most likely be recorded on my DVR. Also, as stated above, I do not always have an internet connection, so having the file on my hard drive means I can watch it whenever.
While the online shows may be free, they're only online for a set amount of time. What if I don't have time to watch the episode I missed on TV in the next two weeks?

wwiz84

I used to download shows, but I'm the type of person who watches an episode once. Now that I have hulu, I find it much more convenient than downloading. Before I would have to wait for the download to finish before I could watch anything. With hulu, I can watch what I want immediately. The only thing that's sort of annoying is that they don't keep episodes up indefinitely. So for the rare occasion I do watch an episode again or miss an episode that was put up, I can't watch it and have to resort to downloading it. Kudos to them for putting up full seasons of canceled/ended shows though.

blatyo

can't watch hulu outside the state you can't...

chaos0815

My experience is that streaming video via the network's website requires more resources than just d/ling and watching. Additionally you don't get the option of HD quality via the legit avenues. Different networks have different websites that you have to painfully navigate, its easier to d/l all the shows that I want to watch, and simply start them whenever I have time. Simply put, torrents are faster and offer a better viewing experience.

ketan324

I'd like to see the networks do for prime time shows what NBC News does for Meet the Press - 3 hours after it airs, it goes up on iTunes and can be downloaded and watched later. There are commercials in the breaks in the show on there, which I don't mind.

The streaming sites rarely work for me, skipping and such while the show streams, while the downloaded copy doesn't have those issues.

zeroraveson

1. Automatic download with RSS
2. Better quality with no ads (although I have no problem with preroll and/or postroll ads)
3. Easily watchable on my home entertainment system (hooked up to a Mac Mini)
4. Easily transferable to my iPod (when I want to watch at a friend's house on their home entertainment system) or my iPhone.

FWIW, I have no problem buying from iTunes if the show's available and I delete the P2P files after I'm done watching. (I hardly ever watch a show more than once and on the rare occasion I do I just download it again.)

Craig

I have tried both torrents and hulu. There are a couple of reasons why I prefer torrents.

1) quality. It's noticeable on my 27 old-school crt tv, and I shutter to think of the difference on a 1080p screen. I also imagine this will the the sticking point for a lot of networks who won't want to let high quality content out over the net.

2) timing. sometimes, the torrent is up before the show airs on the west coast. sometimes hulu takes a day or two to get a new episode of certain series. sooner=better.

3) dept. Hulu is great, and has a large catalog but it doesn't have everything. knowing 100% of the time that I can find an rss feed of any show using torrents (tvrss.net!) make it a lot easier for me to spend the setup time there.

4) portability. I can do whatever I like with the file. load it on a laptop, burn it to take to a place with no internet.

5) ads. yeah, it's selfish and bad, and pretty much defeats logic behind getting the shows for free. I know, but I'd rather not have ads.

really, if 1-4 got handled I'd be happy to go the legal route and just suffer through adds. The one big advantage of hulu is that it requires no setup, so if I go to my parents house where I don't have an rss enabled torrent app (deluge) I can still watch the latest episode of Psych with just a few clicks. Even if it is a slightly inferior experience, it still beats regular tv by a mile.

Dalhamir

Oh yea and also the networks streaming video players never work, I have only successfully watched a show at nbc.com once. Every other time it never loads. Hulu is okay, but having a couple episodes of each show isn't going to cut it.

sickyd

Complete HD shows streamed to my Xbox360 vs a $300 Tivo machine and it's $13/month fee. What do you think anyone would choose? Plus commercials are edited out and the video is better quality than anything I could ever do with a capture card. No contest.

sickyd

Uhh I love this kind of posts..
Why do you download stuff from bit torrent when you can use Hulu or others... well... most of the people on this planet CAN'T!
Even with my vpn straight to us, I can't use thewb.com!

Think before you post... Or maybe you've got bit torrent statistics which says 1mln US citizens downloaded this episode?

C'mon!

Krystian Sz.

I agree with many of the above comments. My main reasons: a lag-free watching experience, the freedom to watch on any device that supports video (Xbox 360, in my case), and the ability to find the content that I want to watch on a single website.

Raydancer

@unruled:

Could not agree more. There are so many things that we cannot see here in Thailand. So, what do I do? BT of course. There's no choice for me sometimes.

apex2000

Oh, a couple more things.

Third reason is to have offline use of the files. Streaming video is nice, but you need a network connection and you may not have that when you want.

A fourth reason is that my router is set up for QOS prioritization. File-sharing services and FTP are at the lowest priority and thus minimally impact other network-related activities (e.g., web surfing).

Deprong Mori

"You'd be hard-pressed to find 60 year-old guys passing this stuff off to their buddies."

That's because they're too busy passing kiddie porn off to their buddies. Those old guys are so crazy!

HFC

i don't own a TV. even if i did, i live in eastern europe. i can't just flip on the TV and catch the premiere of the new season of Bones (which i'm excited to watch after dinner!). so i download it. and archive it on DVD. and watch it again later :)

garbanzo-bean

Three reasons that I use P2P as a source for TV shows:

1) if I want to watch TV, I want to watch TV. That means in my living room on a large screen, sitting on my couch. I don't want to watch a tiny Hulu window in a browser on a computer at my desk.

2) As pointed out in a number of previous LH posts, P2P can be automated to pick up episodes as they become available. It doesn't get much more convenient than that.

3) Sometimes I want to watch a show that is no longer airing, but that hasn't yet been released on DVD. Consider the period between the end of Season 2 of Heroes and the release of the DVDs. P2P is really the only viable option there.

Basically, I want all of my TV to be on-demand (or as close to it as possible), but I don't want to be limited to certain shows, and I don't want to have to watch it on a computer. P2P to a media center device like XBMC works wonderfully for me.

processfive

One reason is for anti-spam purposes. If I can avoid registering on a website to get a freebie by using file-sharing services, I will carefully consider the latter option. Admittedly, I have a "throwaway" Hotmail account for such purposes, but I still need to fill out the form, wait for the e-mail, blah blah blah.

Another reason is that file-sharing services often provide faster, more reliable connectivity than an official website. Exhibit A: did you try updating to iPhone 2.0 software the day it came out?

The biggest problem of using file-sharing services for downloading freebies is the higher risk of getting a malware-contaminated file. As a user of both Macs (at home) and Windows PCs (at work), I need to consider this carefully although I worry mostly about Windows downloads.

Deprong Mori

Torrents are the way we do things around the house, for most of the reasons mentioned, and it enables me to feed my obsession with British chefs. And the "You'd be hard-pressed to find 60 year-old guys passing this stuff off to their buddies." line in the wired article? They clearly haven't met my 60 year-old dad, who thinks God made UTorrent just for him.

lolagrinnin

@hipersons: haha well then you're looking in the wrong place :)

i think one of the main reasons i grab everything in sight is because i forsee a future in which i can't download so freely. so if i have a terabyte of tv stuck away someplace, i'll be set for a very long time :)

garbanzo-bean

A complete local file will not stutter, break up, or stop abruptly during playback when your neighbor's kid maxes out the local cable co's network bandwidth, or when the streaming server is slashdotted, or when the phone lines go dead and take your DSL with them.

A complete local file can be watched again and again, without subjecting yourself to the lies, er, "advertising" which saturates the streaming site.

A complete local file can be easily converted to another format so you can watch it on another device, such as a DVD player or portable media player.

Deadhacker

No, I don't P2P things I know I can get for free. That's just silliness. Half the time I can't find a complete download or it takes too long and it's aggravating. Or someone put the label I was looking for on a piece of porn. Come on, people!

hipersons

I don't like having to pay for TV and then spend 15 minutes of every hour watching commercials.

stever

I've done it a lot. Not so much since I have a DVR, but I still look to see whats on the torrents.

There are a lot of international shows that never make it to the US, or are delayed several months. It shouldn't take that long for the Doctor to cross the pond (Are they using a row boat to ship the tapes to the US networks???)

And like some others have said, it's nice to throw some of the shows that I can't watch at home on my ipod and take to work.

kalenoble

I hate flash video, so I avoid that when I can. I do watch Heroes episodes online, mostly for the commentaries, but when I really like an episode I will usually look for the torrent of it.

I do think its great that companies allow for online viewing of shows, so I have to give them props for that, but the inconvenience and often times the annoying ads they force on me make me want to go the file sharing route when I can.

Kyle

I'm hearing disabled- "Mos' Deaf!" Most online viewing does not allow for captions. So I download, wait for captions for the episodes to become available and then view on those shows I missed.

SnickerHaHa

Let's not forget the fact that the 'pirated' versions often have the commercials removed. I don't have to worry about being forced to hear about cars I'll never drive, or drinks I don't care for. There's nothing to interfere with the continuity of my favorite shows. My wife is from Germany, where they pack the commercials IN BETWEEN the shows (with only one in the middle) -- and she just about goes nuts with how commercials are shown here in the U.S.

marko_ramius

I don't like the commercials and the ability to take it where i want and play the show with what i want is the main reasons I don't just stream it.

Elijah86

I download because:

1. I want a file to put on my PMP so I can watch it during my lunch hour, on the bus, while travelling, etc. and I can't do that on streams.

2. I like watching a show without the commercials.

3. Better quality downloading vs streaming.

picantel

My flat is a total mess I must admit.

The other day, I downloaded a movie I had bought on DVD !! And it happens quite a lot to me to download MP3s of legit CDs i bought because I only listen to my music on my computer and it bothers me to look for the CD and Rip it, or change it as soon as I wanna listen to something else.

It's just convenient.

wormz

Make it freely available and easily usable in my non-US country, and people won't grab it through bittorrent.

phoomp

I'll download something like LOST because I missed it or it's in High Def. I can then watch it at my convenience. Besides, I usually have more choices of formats, bit-rate and quality.

UnleasheD1

even though you can watch the show for free, online, at Hulu and Fox.com

Yeah, if your IP is from the US. Those sites are generally blocked for those of us outside the US.

Plus, who wants to sit at their computer to watch a show? I'd rather download it to my media server and stream it through my PS3 to my 42" plasma, where I can watch it comfortably from my couch.

saffyre9

The "pirated" versions:

1: are better quality
2: play in any media player on the planet
3: are conveniently available via RSS

These are all things that Hulu and Fox.com cannot match.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

It's not just habitual, and I don't think it's any more or less convenient than watching it on a website (forgetting the annoying ads, anyway). It's that the downloaded versions will be much higher quality (usually in HD) and will look better on my HDTV. That's my reason, anyway. :)

kzrssk

Why pirate things you can watch for free?

That's an easy question to answer..

HD RIPS

ZombieRace

The torrent for the shield season 7 episode 1 Was on torrent before then TV show finished on the east coast!!!!!!!

fleebailey33

Heck, I've even downloaded stuff I actually own. Why physically search when you find a torrent in seconds?

Protector one

Actually I quit BitTorrent when Hulu launched. At least for most uses. If I want something on my ipod then Hulu is out, or for older shows, and Hulu's ads are getting to be too much. So for as much promise as Hulu has it's getting old quickly.

ChristianNorton

Streaming sucks, I'll download the video from bittorrent, and push it to my S3 tivo with tivo.net.

/I wouldn't need to download the show in the first place if the recording didn't get screwed up in one of the following ways.

1) Amber Alert Messages : I don't know how the amber alert folks expect me to identify any missing kids from inside my living room ... at night. They sure seem happy to interrupt my programming to tell me about some kid that was 'kidnapped' by her mother. Kids all look the same to me anyway.

2) Flood warnings : Issued for a large area, even though less than 5% of said area is actually in a flood prone area (IE, I'm in San Diego, a flood warning for Riverside County does me no good). Can we get something a little more granular please?

3) Network screwup: Your live show ran over and screwed up the rest of the scheduling for the night.

4) Power/cable outage: Yeah, the tivo can't do anything about that. This is even worse if you have a series 2 and a cable box that doesn't power on after an outage. Hooray for a 1 minute power outage that kills two days worth of recordings because you had the audacity to leave town for a weekend.

5) Speaking of cable boxes, maybe they shouldn't do firmware updates at prime time.

lordargent

Yes, downloading is simply better and more convenient than streaming ever will be.

Rhayader

if hulu/abc.com/whatever worked on my xbmc i'd stream everything. downloading is pretty easy and i dont mind waiting the time to get it all. also, no buffering or worrying about my connection going down when i have it all on my computer.

Khamel

i have seen at least one game company take advantage of the why that bit torrents work. Blizzards download manager uses that form of downloading so as to help keep their servers from over loading. and i believe ive seen people do that in other places but cant say for sure. i think companies could very well take advantage of bit torrents, it would help keep the load off their servers as well as get the product out faster.

stryker1800

Yep. Just to put on my psp cause I had no time to watch it otherwise. I wouldn't mind if there were commercials in it.

Ajh

I prefer to download them and watch them when I want. I have a DVR of course, but with the downloaded ones there are no commercials, and I don't have to fast forward or anything. I also like to have them on my PC/DVD+R so I can watch them again a month or a year from now. Some shows like Deadwood or Firefly need more than one watching... ;-)

jsmorley

I watch 75% of my video on my 4 hour commute per day. I currently have a media player that I use to watch this on. Online versions that require a connection to watch just aren't worth-while for me.

With bit-torrent, I can streamline the process in one program to get what I want on my media player. Not something I can do with the online offerings.

tdp

If I watch it again online, I'd want a copy of it for later, not a simple rewatch through streaming.

jwm1314

It's a quality issue. The P2P product is usually a much higher quality copy than even a stream offered in HD.

Best stream I have watched is 720p with commercials.
P2P copies are 1080p and no commercials. <---Winnah!

Also the P2P copy is superior since it usually is downloaded in a zip/rar/arj/ace etc. is generally smaller when it is downloaded compressed and now that bandwidth caps are in place I get a better quality vid without hitting the cap as fast.

If I were a streaming site like Hulu or YouTube I would be really pissed about the new caps.

I'm sure these caps are changing peoples usage patterns and streaming could become less popular because of it.

axiomatic

It is not just a question of convenience. People from other countries could not attach subtitles for their mother language on those on-line viewers. Like me ;)

Moisés

I would watch shows on Hulu if they let people from outside the US access their content!

tiemposbuenos

File sharing is a million times easier. I started out only downloading shows that I couldn't seeing on US television such as some BBC miniseries. I then started to download HD copies of shows I couldn't seeing HD because my tv service didn't offer those channels in HD. Now I have utorrent download shows automatically because I don't like scheduling my life around tv. Also, streaming video to my TV is a million times better than watching shows online at my desk on a smallish monitor. If broadcast companies allowed me to download HD files with ads in front and maybe small bottom adds that don't interupt the show I would probably stop torrenting.

Metropolis

Its sorta convenient. I like downloading better since I am able to get higher quality. That and I don't have to deal with the interface which tend to be flash and well I don't think its the best. Just take a look at Joost. Great concept, used it to watch all of Jericho, but the slow jerky interface was killing me.

And not everyone watches their video via the internet.

YatimaMeiji

I absolutely download via torrent over FTP or HTTP when I can. It is more far reliable and usually faster to boot. Worst are the specialized, proprietary download applications (e.g., the EA Updater) that are buggy, bloated, error-prone, and entirely unnecessary.

fatcat1111

Putting in another vote for XBMC. It's really the only thing I use my Xbox for, and it gets used almost every day.

DogHead

Usually when it's lunch/dinner time and I'm by my computer, hulu is my go to site to watch something online. When I can't dvr it (or forget to) or it's an older episode, I always check out hulu.

The only time I go for BT when hulu has it is for the quality. Usually hulu does have a high quality viewing experience, but sometimes they don't. The quality for Burn Notice was as bad as if I watched it on one of the Chinese youtube like services. So I went ahead and downloaded it to get the best quality.

Priorities: DVR, Hulu, BT. I usually don't go to the official show sites to watch it as the interface is clunky, slower, and not as high quality.

DianaMoon

Torrents only usually. I can get the new Dr. Who episodes the morning after they broadcast on the BBC, then stream if from my computer to my xbox to watch on my tv.

ParanoiaAgent

Boy I wish that studio execs would read these comments. When are they going to realize that the rules of the game have changed and there's nothing they can do about it?

For the record, I also can't watch hulu because I'm outside the US. But even if I could, I'd still torrent for all the reasons above.

People are not going to stop file sharing. Even if you can successfully sue a few people, you can't sue enough to make the perceived risk high enough to dissuade people. I think the studios must be waiting / hoping for some filesharing-proof version of the internet to be developed.

If studios want to regain control over distribution, they have to offer a competitive product. To even begin to compete with bittorrent, studio offerings will have to be:

-downloadable
-DRM free

Without both of those, people will choose to bittorrent instead, because the cost is the same but the product is better.

To successfully compete, studios could offer the following:

- extra features above the broadcast versions that others are ripping.
- higher quality
- instant availability
- faster download speeds

This would get the studios back in control of the distribution stream. Once they have people watching it through them again, they could explore ways of monetizing it - limited ads, subscription fees, whatever.

Trouble is right now they have no idea what people would pay for a high-quality, legitimate download, because it's simply not on the market. And high-quality means DRM-free. DRM is pointless because it just makes me go find a DRM-free version to download.

djnrempel

I've bought music legally, then downloaded it.

First, I bought a CD (Rush - Spirit of Radio). I wanted to rip it and put it on my iPod, but I just kept forgetting and leaving it in the car. I ended up just downloading it.

The other time, which is much more of a convenience issue, was through iTunes. I am annnaaalllll about my digital music. It's all perfectly sorted and tagged. I got hold of some iTunes gift cards, and decided to cash them in. DRM'd crazy apple format songs. No thanks, I'll take MP3s. So I downloaded the songs I had just bought, just to satisfy my interal auditor.

YamiNoSenshi

With torrents, I can get an HD version of a show, within hours of its broadcast on the east coast, with the commercials edited out, then watch it where I want, when I want.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

I started doing this when I couldn't get Battlestar Galactica in HD on my local cable provider; they only provide SciFi network in Standard Def. It was always funny to me that I could get a commercial free version in HD off the net before my TiVo even finished recording the version on TV. I then picked up on other series I had missed the first season of, and it just becomes a more convenient way to get your media.

That said, I do realize that nothing's free, and if no one watches the commercials, no production companies will get paid, and the content will dry up. I don't know the answer to that other than some non-intrusive, subtle advertising. It's clear no one wants commercials or big banner ads taking up 1/4 of the screen (I hate TNT's stupid ads placed that way); someone needs to step out of the box and come up with a way to monetize that the public will swallow and not bother trying to get around rather than try to strong arm us into commercial breaks we won't stay in the room for anyways.

distortedloop

I've downloaded stuff that I can get for free. It is easier.
It must also be said that not everyone who uses P2P is downloading music and films that they should be paying for. I am a keen fan of British cinema 1930-1979. I use P2P to get hold of obscure stuff that is now out of print. In the UK, studios have been very slow to release old films and many of the ones that I have in my collection are simply not for sale in any DVD shop.
We live in a world where we can choose between 3 different DVD versions of some stupid college "thow-away" film and yet some films staring major actors have not been released. "If..." (one of my favourite films) was only released last year (despite the petition) to capitalise, I suspect, on Lindsay Anderson's death. Over half of the films that Laurence Olivier made have not been released for Christ's sake! He is a major player so why are the studios being so lame?
If I can pay for it then so much the better (certainly the quality is better). If I can't buy it because it is not for sale then I don't wait for the studios to release it. I jump on the Mule and assert my right to access the culture of the past so that I can watch it (even if it is a VHS rip) before we are drowned by the dross of the present.

thepcguy

Quality is my biggest issue. Streaming stuff is low quality, it stutters and lags and freezes (I don't have the worlds greatest broadband connection). With a torrent, I can download at my full connection limit (Roughly 500kB/s), watch a show that is in full resolution, or even HD.

I have a TiVo, and I still download shows that the wife isn't interested in watching, or that I can't get in HD on the tivo - as my model for some reason doesn't support all the HD streams, I only get showtime, HBO, and HD Theater - which means I miss the whole crap load of other HD stuff.

shockwaver

If HD programming were available with minimal commercials that are NOT IDENTICAL I would utilize it. They could also add extra content to increase interest. Currently there's a poor selection of shows available in poor quality video, complete with brainwashing ads. And since ISPs want to protect their cable television business, HD is probably never coming to the masses.

orlo

I actually prefer watching it on TV, mainly because my TV is way bigger than my laptop monitor.

Not only that, but I like watching shows on TV. Call me old-fashioned but I just think that it's the best way to watch my favorite shows.

dizzyk

Better quality, no buffering.

LifesSweetDrug

@djnrempel: We've been saying this about mp3s since napster went under that first time. The recording industry didn't listen. I doubt the tv and film industry will.

Ajh

I do it for the HD quality. That's it really.

libertao

If I download the file instead of watching it on hulu, I can watch it on my xbox with xbmc!!!!!!!

curlymeatball38

I had TVShows set up last year to download all the shows I watched. In the quiet season I completely forgot I had it until it fired up the other night to download Prison Break. I think it only aired a day later here in the UK, but the convenience of doing nothing for an unrestricted copy is much better than waiting for it to be repeated and setting my Sky+. I don't download BBC stuff anymore thanks to the BBC iplayer, but for everything else, torrents are just easier.

HolyChimp

And also, a lot of these "view on the web" thingies aren't available outside the US, for various reasons. Through BitTorrent, I can get anything.

krank23

I prefer BitTorrent AVI's before any of the commercial solutions. Why? Because I can watch an AVI wherever, whenever I want. I'm not limited to their website or by their ads or their software. I can watch the shows in my preferred way: Via a samba-connection in XBMC on my X-box.

krank23

i download stuff like that because i want a physical copy so that if i dont get round to watchin it before its removed from the legal service or if i wanna watch it on the train or something i can... i dont wanna be streaming stuff over the net such as with the bbc iplayer etc.. and i dont want no drm filled dedicated media player for the occasional programme i might not even enjoy..

purdz

Look, i pay for cable, and i love the shows! But sometimes it's hard to get them to work on your schedule.

What i would love is that the same companies who feed video to my Cable Service Provider (which as it turns out in all the cases locally, is the same as the ISP) would allow us to watch the content (a la Hulu). Since this is not happening, i would like them to let me download the episodes.

For free? Well for the illusion of them being free at least, i wouldn't mind if they inserted the same ads in the download video (or a bit more) as in their normal broadcast.

They could do some extra revenue by using ads on their download sites...

Why download and not a Joost alternative? Well, mainly because it would be easier to make them available to all OSes, rather than just one or a few.

This also means that whenever i don't have anything to watch i am more likely to browse and see some other show.

Distribution costs would drop if they trusted on Torrent technologies, as ratios could be enforced to make sure Content providers don't have to spend too much money on it.

How would this work for them? Let's see: instead of earning a buck or two for each downloaded episode, they make millions in ad revenue... Fantastic isn't it?

whiskey

one word. portability. Can't get handy dandy little wifi on a train and the PSP screen is the perfect cross in size vs. portability for watching tv. Not to mention riding the train to work is about perfect for a tv episode.

x40sw0n

Even if it is shown in the UK 2 days after the US version I'll still download it within hours of it airing in the US, for a few reasons

1) I can get it in HD by downloading it
2) I want to watch it as soon as possible!
3) With all the tv/movie related websites we read we end up with too much of the plot given away before it airs over here...

Fedorov

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but a lot of people don't live in the US and the "free" versions on the other sites are not viewable to us.

If you download it via other means you can often get in in HD, don't have to worry about ads or commercials and it comes in a format that just about any player can use.

pedalhound

I downloaded episodes of a TV show I missed even if I could have seen the episode on Hulu or something because it's easy and convenient for the future. If I want to keep the episode or burn it to a DVD and watch it on my TV, then I could do that if I download it, but not if I stream it. Plus streaming has ads and downloading the episode doesn't.

bdawg923

I prefer not to stream video because it slows down my bittorrents.

And MacTheRipper on my G4 is so painfully slow, it usually doesn't take much longer to download the file instead of ripping it.

himountainpaul

Shows like Prison Break has a worldwide fans. All the free alternatives are limited to people living in the US.

Dabbling with proxies is seldom worth the hassle.

fl0w

I sometimes prefer downloading because I want to keep the video, or show it to friends

I downloaded the Olympics opening ceremony from limewire because it was really fast and I couldn't find it anywhere online, I had missed it on TV and I dont live in the US. There were 35 hosts, I was in and out instantly

Speed is basicly the reason I use P2P and torrents

metalmarious

getting things for free, really isn't free. you usually have to sit thru ads or other unsightly user interfaces, on top of whatever apps or plug-ins you need to install on top of it.

NBC...i'm looking at you... forcing me to install ms silverlight or whatever that was, just to watch an olympic event i missed live earlier in the day.

dasMetzger

Hulu and Fox.com won't play on my 52" Tv via my AppleTV.

just because it's *available* doesn't make it actualy a *GOOD* solution.

thirdopticaltool

i just enjoy the feeling of having the actual file itself, rather than watching it on their terms, its probably rather foolish, as i generally only watch it on my computer anyway, so its not like i will use my ability to do more than i could with hulu (whitch technically i can't get legally, as i'm in the uk [hotspot sheild seems to work around that]) but i just feel more in control that way

mr_bigglesworth

If I have multiple download options for a large file, I'll always choose the fastest method. That's usually (but not always) BitTorrent.

leftist

@Mabboo: My TiVo (PVR) will always have a place in my video habits because of its ability to find and suggest and record things that I never would have even looked for on my own. More than a few television shows and movies I've enjoyed off a TiVo suggestion that I never would have known about.

I did cancel about $50 per month worth of cable tiers and movie channels because between torrents, netflix, netflix watch instantly on an XBox 360, and AppleTV, there's not much need for any of the pay channels.

distortedloop

I downloaded it. In 720p, no less. Why? It was on less then 12 hours later, in HD, on Sky One (UK).

Why did I download it?

1) No ad breaks.

2) I can save it for later, transcode it for my iPhone, and more.

Now, if it's a show like Weeds, I download it because it's not on here in the UK for another...year?

Otherwise, that's the main reason for me using P2P. Sure, if Fox want to put adverts on the bottom sometimes, like NBC do, I don't mind. But these 4 minute blocks of ads are bloody annoying.

William Hook

With my PVR I can record the entire season of a programme when it's aired and watch it on my television. With torrents I can download the same season using RSS feeds, watch on my television using XMBC, sync it to my laptop or transfer it to my PDA and watch it on the move, share it with friends who I think might find it entertaining, or archive it to DVD or another hard-drive.

If I miss an episode I can find it, usually, in moments, no matter how much time has passed. I'm not hampered by the 7 day limit that most TV companies seem to place on their online content.

In short, my PVR is all but redundant now and I can't see that I will use it with any kind of regularity again.

Mabboo

@distortedloop: My PVR is Sky+, I'm in the UK. It doesn't suggest, AFAIK. Sites like io9 suggest the programmes that I might find interesting. Middleman anyone?

Mabboo

@tdp: I really hope you're not the driver.

finalellipsis

Honestly, i dont view downloading something i have payed for via my monthly cable payments not "legit."

Quiane

I have MANY Reasons to use torrents. I live and travel where internet is not reliable, and costs a lot. Where DVDs are blocked according to Region, are expensive and often in the wrong language and not able to be returned of exchanged. Using a torrent allows us to enjoy programs on our schedule, and without the problems of slow internet connections. We have enjoyed much more programming than we ever would thanks to P2P.

AsiasHome

I used to download TV shows via P2P and stream them to my living room. My ISP disabled my connection due to the sharing of copyrighted material. I can't afford to have my connection dropped and rely on 56kbs so I stopped downloading the shows.
After awhile the media withdraw sympts started to hit hard. Literally, I soon was crossed eyed and hunch backed. I cannot stand watching videos online. One night I found a new program called PlayOn being developed by a company called MediaMall. It grabs various sites' streams and then streams them on your network to consoles yada yada yada. LAGalicious. 'Watching videos with PlayOn (pause) on my PS3 ... is like .... listening to an Obama speech.' No offense just not my cup of tea.
Why the TV networks don't allow users to freely download and share their content bewilders me. Perhaps someone could clarify this for me. With all the evidence that suggests viewers don't mind small doses of ads and with all the product placements in today's programming, why restrict the usage of the programming? From the business perspective, revenues are being left on the table. If they allowed users to choose the medium through which they obtain media, be it P2P, streaming, etc...
The first presidential candidate to address this issue and approve it in a "message" has my vote. Just Kidding...no really.

gat0rs23

I live in Canada, so Hulu doesn't work for me. That plus downloading it allows me to watch it when I want AND takes the commercials out.

ShwetaNoppity

Also... Online viewers often have horrible lag and your video will buffer so much that you won't even know what's going on. (I'm looking at you, CBS.com.)

cheesmo7

I used to use bittorrent to download all of my shows as soon as they showed up as available for download. It was kinda like a free Tivo. It worked pretty well, but I sometimes got files that were not up to my viewing standards. Lots of times, I got the show I wanted in HD. I will still use this in the future if needed. It's nice to be able to watch what you want at your convenience. And fast forwarding commercials is great, but that probably doesn't make the networks too happy.

cheesmo7

downloading via P2P is just easier - I already go there on a daily basis to download all my shows. I get HD, no ads, and can download the whole thing in under 5 minutes. Also, I can watch the shows offline - a big factor for me.

rib519

I agree with everybody above. I'll also add that I'm just so sick of the attempts of the RIAA, MPAA, and the networks to control every aspect of my media experience that I cherish my ability to get it my way and use it my way. Even if I would just watch it on my computer, my defiant side hates doing it on their terms. Torrents are a way for me to feel some sense of control (even if it's an illusion).

TxRx

I can deal with english, even if this hard with no subtitles in english but the main reason is i like to really follow the show with my own subs, french subs, and when you can't add your own to a stream video like hulu, it's even harder. Beside i can't access, it's for US only.

FaithLicinus

It's more than "just ... convenient" - it just works. Once I downloaded a movie from Bittorrent to watch on my laptop in the middle of the night, but only after I tried to rent it from iTunes multiple times and received some obscure error code.

Part of the problem is the content providers' insistence that we consume their media only through their one approved source. In my experience, that only inconveniences me and creates a single point of failure, and that point of failure is frustrating when it fails. Distributed networks are a much more reliable way to share files.

I think it's a failure on the part of the content providers that they haven't found good ways to leverage the ease of use of distributed file sharing.

brandn

While I agree that it's a convenience thing for many, an accessibility thing for those outside the US (like myself), and a case of ownership/possession, I think people have neglected to mention control.

I like to control the way I watch things. I like to control everything about it, including the content, the medium, the time... Some people read broadsheet newspapers, others watch the nightly news, and again there are those who get streaming feeds from the internet. The news media have given over much of the control of consumption they used to hold, to those who consume. This is not so with most TV shows.

If TV stations were to recognise this and work within the constraints of things like bittorrent, they'd find people to be far more open, I think. Not to mention the reduction in strain on their own servers as -everyone- shared the files. I'm sure an ad-break or two wouldn't be held against them either, so long as they met certain conditions, like timeliness, openness (in availability and file-type) and didn't try to take advantage of consumers.

writhemic

I would love to use Hulu if there was a proper plugin for a media center extender such as the Xbox. I would much rather download it in .avi format and put it on my network so I can watch it on the big screen rather than sitting at a computer desk or watching on my laptop.

illadvised

yes, you can watch the episode online, but ONLY if you live in USA, so basically 3/4 of downloaders don't have much choice

dzikens

I live in the UK and many of the programmes I've downloaded never made it to the tv screens here. When US shows do make it here, they're almost always very behind, they're often shunted between two or more different channels and the schedules are repeatedly tampered with because there are no real television seasons here. Downloading is very common in Europe among my age group (under 30ish), probably for those reasons.

I've also come upon several 'cult classic' television shows after they've already been cancelled (Firefly and Wonderfalls, I'm looking at you) and downloading was the only way to watch them for a time. I can honestly say that I wasn't a fan of television until I discovered downloading, and that downloading led me to purchase DVDs of Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls, and Battlestar Galactica. (Okay, so I wasn't a geek either before I discovered downloading!)

NotMandatory

Downloading because fox and hulu streams are unavailable outside of the US

loris

With a new baby at home, I'm lucky to get through a single episode in about 3 days - why would I want to have to sit through the streaming process, advertisements, etc. multiple times when I can instead watch it on my own schedule?

Besides, if you think about it, P2P is actually a more socially responsible method of moving around large data files (despite shrill comments to the contrary from ISPs) An HTTP request for live video relies on the strength of a single server - why not move traffic along a distributed network instead?

jdaverth

Linux distros, also. Without p2p, people could only download install discs from one source; with p2p, you get hundreds of sources.

Tails438

I don't want to sit in front of my pc to watch the show, so it is easier to dl the torrent and watch in on my big screen through xbox media center.

hak187

@RemmoSi: "I can store the shows I download for later viewing and archiving."

That seems to be the biggest reason for downloading. I don't for varying reasons (old, slow PC, too much hassle with RIAA/MPAA/etc., and so on), but anything you watch for free on Hulu or a network's website is at their discretion. They can take that video down any time they want, make it available any time they want and put as many commercials in it as they want.

Downloading it lets you save it for as long as YOU want and watch it when YOU want.

Watching online : downloading :: Watching TV : DVRing.

FMG

I, like other users above, use torrents because I am not an American, and cannot watch most content anyways. The Canadian channels CTV, CBC & Comedy Central do stream in Canada, but again the quality is lower and the episode is broken into 5 segments that resets my screen from fullscreen. Also, there aren't any shows from the big networks, just Corner Gas and Flashpoint ;).

Torrents also don't stop, are high quality (if you look the right places and don't jump on the first one that is posted!) and I can disconnect my computer and watch the TV anywhere I want. And best of all, I can get them anywhere in the world!

The best example I can think of is this: last year I moved to Eng