What Would It Take For You To Stop Pirating?

We may not agree with the RIAA on much, but today they made a surprising statement that we can actually get on board with: innovation is the best way to stop piracy. Our question for you is: What kind of innovation would get you to stop downloading media illegally?

The statement was hidden away in a much longer article about the impact of their anti-piracy efforts -- which TorrentFreak argues is more than a little misleading -- but at least they're acknowledging that draconian business models are not going to get them out of this mess.

So, for you pirates out there: What kind of innovations would get you to go legal? Or, for the less anonymous among you: what kind of innovations do you think would be the most effective at curbing piracy? Lower prices? Less DRM? A bigger selection on online services? Let us know in the comments below. And, while you're at it, hit the link to read the RIAA's statement, and TorrentFreak's response.

The Evidence of Anti-Piracy's Impact Continues To Mount [RIAA Music Notes Blog via TorrentFreak]

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    The original point is asking about "innovation." Just charging less money or making something available without an artificially imposed delay is not innovation. Coming up with a new product or feature that people want - and value enough to want to pay money for - is what they are looking for.

    William Patry, in his "Law is not a business solution" talk at the 2010 O'Reilly Tools of Change conference said: "[copyright] can't force people to buy things. You can't sue your consumers into buying stuff from you. And there is no enforcement agenda that is ever going to turn an unprofitable business into a profitable business."

    This is a good talk. The video is at or the audio is at .

    He gives an illustration of text book publishers who have come up with a new model where lecturers are allowed to customise textbooks to better suit their course and students can add and share annotations. So instead of trying to take legal action against secondhand textbook sellers or just lowering the price of new textbooks, they have created a new product category that people will pay for. People pay to get access to the unique text for that semester's course and to interact with their peers taking the same subject. That's new: innovation. That's valuable: lecturers and students benefit. That might work: people might want to pay for it.

    So what sort of innovation should studios create that people would want to pay for? How about:
    - media independent purchases, so I don't have to re-purchase the same product again when a new media format comes out (e.g. VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, digital download).
    - ability to incorporate the content into user generated content (e.g. using our favoriate music in our personal slide shows and uploaded videos without violating copyright).
    - ability to easily "send" someone a clip from a movie instead of just quoting it in a conversation and hoping they understand the joke/reference.
    - user customisable content (e.g. to be able to watch Episode I without Jar Jar Binks)

    the Piracy issue has been solved. Honkywood American Content creators killed piracy by making shows that are so bad no one wants to waste time downloading them. they ran out of ideas decades ago. here's another way to solve it put a copyright levy inside your ISPs plan say 1c/mg of actual content downloaded

    If I was a music artist if throw up a free track every couple of weeks and get fans to vote which songs make the album at the end of the year via social media... Then give everyone who votes a shoutout in the booklet... Guaranteed ppl would buy it :-)

    With the increasing costs of print books the number I was reading had dropped substantially over the years - digital book have opened up access to books I would never had access to physically and at a much more reasonable price - now I am consuming a lot more books and authors are benefiting - given most are reasonably priced I am not motivated to pirate them BUT the artifical restrictions by country are still there - I have been reading a series - went to buy the next book and guess what - available to US purchasers but not Australians - Why? I assume some local publisher is trying to protect their print edition - the result I can't buy it online so I might have forgotten about the series by the time it is online for purchase by Australians or look at other options for downloading - end result the author will not get paid when they might have if not for some publishers artificial restrictive trade practices

    Im a shift worker. I want to be able to watch the shows when i want where i want. PVR isn't an option for me as i may not be home for days. so i download and watch them where i am. If there was a high quality service that would allow me to stream HD content or D/L it for a decent price i'd probably use it. but there isn't a decent option.

    Like a lot of people have said, reduce the prices to something reasonable, air movies and tv shows at similar if not the same times, offer all services that the u.s. gets to Australia.

    The biggest problem is that the company's producing this material are trying to protect profit margins. they simply cant/wont be able to do this while there is the internet and a global community.

    These shows for instance make there money when they air in the states and all the other stations that buy them overseas. If it is a good movie then it will make back what they spent on it at screening at the movies, If they priced aggressively when trying to sell dvd/blu ray they they would get a massive pool of consumers buying the media and possibly continue to make the same profits or perhaps increase them.

    Where I come from there is (was?) a solution that every body buying a device capable of recording material under copyright had to pay a certain amount to an organization representing those who have the copy right. This was included in the price of the recorder. After that it was legal to copy anything you wanted for your own usage. A clean and easy solution I think.

    Hypothetically, of course - lower prices and better availability of content, less/no DRM and obviously no ads.

    The thing I despise most about PURCHASING a DVD is being forced to sit through un skippable anti-piracy messages and trailers.

    I bought a movie, I want to watch my damn movie, not your bullshit trailers and not your bullshit anti-piracy messages. It's pretty simply really.

      I always found that funny; you go to the effort to purchase a movie and you're flooded with "DON'T PIRATE" messages. You didn't; you just bought the damn film.

      Yet at no point while pirating a movie, be it searching, downloading or viewing, will you encounter a message discouraging you from pirating it.

    To be honest I do not pirate all that much at all but it is do tempting to often and here is why:
    - Price of digital content in Australia - there is no reason that I can see that we should have to pay up to 70% extra for a song on iTunes then the US.
    - Availability - There is no reason we should have to wait extended periods of time for a TV show to be released here after it has been aired in the US or the UK. If we were able to view TV shows at the same time as the US at a reasonable price, I would never ever pirate them.
    -DRM - It just punishes the people who buy stuff - example - My brother bought a book off iBooks, he got rid of his iPad, can't read the book anymore.

    If digital content was reasonably priced and convenient I would never pirate.

    Release things the same time here as in the States, and have them for the same price. They also get free streaming, if you want to watch american shows here you have to pirate.

    Recently i have started using a site called Rdio for all my music needs, since then I haven't pirated any music, this isn't me plugging the site but more a potential solution that has brought up numerous times.

    A few people have mentioned the difference is that the cost to produce music is considerable lower than a tv show or a movie so either an unlimited service would be to pricey and exclude a vast majority or the owners to the right of the tv show would not jump on board the service.

    The way I see it a strategy whereby the consumer pays $50-100 a month for unlimited access to all content is not unreasonable (think foxtel) This would potentially satisfy the vast majority and if lower price point is needed this could occur after some time.

    From a corporate perspective there needs to be a justification for spending substantial money on a program, which I think can be enticed with two ways.

    1. Pay the studio a proportion of viewership. If everyone is watching one studios programs they get then entirety of royalties; and

    2. Ads, yes I know most people would hate this, but here is my logic, a 2-3 minute add prior to airing each individual show. Obviously the more watched a show is the higher price it can command to allow an advertisement to be placed before it. (think super bowl / sports).

    This would mean companies have an incentive to develop great shows, while still enticing viewers to acquire them legally.

    Anyway that's just my thoughts happy if you disagree

    @motormouth: stop complaining and start makin innovation..
    Ppl has provide good point regarding fair pricimg, global availability and need to be easy to download.. piracy providing all of thos

    @motormouth: stop complaining and start makin innovation..
    Ppl has provide good point regarding fair pricing, global availability and need to be easy to download.. piracy providing all of those.. so if u cannot provide those.. why would you complaint for the problem outside if you cannot fix all the lackness with what you are competing with

    Hmm, what would it take ...
    What I've found is that I'll download a season of a show, but if it doesn't grab me within three episodes I'll just delete it and not bother unless a friend/family member insists that it gets better.

    So what I'd like to see is something like Guvera: go to the studio's website (say, HBO), get exposed to a bunch of ads up front and then download the first three episodes of a show, legitimately, for free. Watch, then decide whether I want to buy it or not. It's basically a "free trial" model, which has been working for the games industry for a long time now.

    The answer is simple: It has to be more convenient.

    And now the truth: It will never be more convenient

    You could give people a single repository, from which they can access what they want, in high quality, with no ad-breaks in the middle of it, no watermarks, etc, on the hour of release. It could be available for a cheap subscription service, so that you just have to log in and access everything.

    And what will happen is that one person will download it, put it online themselves, and everyone will take the 1hour delay on the chin in order to get it for free.

    Media as a core product has a limited time as the bread-and-butter money maker. Music, Movies, TV Shows, etc are going to have to rely on related products (Merchandise, live shows, etc) to make money.
    Which, unfortunately, means more "Cars 2", less "Up" (ie, the viability of a piece of media is based entirely on how merchandisable it is).

    I use a site called Noise Trade (noisetrade.com) Artists put up samples of their albums available for download non-DRM you can download it, you have options to advertise on a social network if you please. (Free advertising for the artist) And have the option to donate to the artist for the music. I've downloaded music from there that I've had a chance to listen to a bunch of their music then decide "hey i like this I'm going to buy the whole album" Artist still makes money and get their music advertised to people who otherwise might never hear of them.

      Same thing with bandcamp.com - you can stream whole albums. If you leave a browser window open, it's easy to have free music. But once you've heard and enjoyed it, half time time you can set your own price - and the other half the prices are generally quite reasonable. For FLAC (or any other format you might want) with no DRM.

    The reason I don't use iTunes is mainly for two reasons. The delay in content availability, but mostly it's around DRM. I would be happy to buy shows/movies if, once paid for I could have them on any machine that I own.

    I would also use Netflix, or similar quite happily. Currently use ABC iView, SBS on Demand via XBOX and love the service.

      Have you heard of Quickflix? Or have you and it's simply crap in comparison to Netflix? I don't know much about it but it's run by the same people.

        It's crap here. All the distribution rights for everything tie all the good content up so it's mainly old crap.

    Some of this is just plain garbage with loss of plot too
    Me I'd love for Australia to be fairly treated and considered !
    Timed release=delayed profit protection ? As said above Thats Crap!
    We can see a person die world-wide within minutes of it happening but not all share the same thing at the same time ? that's profiteering and sales for you :)

    I've spent thousands on DVD TV box sets, but when season 7 of Scrubs came out with 11eps instead of the usual 22 but at the same price of the other full seasons i was incredibly offended that i was helping the corporation recoup losses caused by the writers strike that was in no means my fault.. after this i found p2p, then torrents.. & in the process discovered that instead of wall to wall dvd boxsets that i could just have a few small black boxes which cleared up alot of space.. & the only way i would stop pirating i guess would be if they created an ARK of every tv show.. split in genres like on Xbox live & when something new airs it goes into the ARK.. I want to control what i watch, & at a pace that suits me.. when i want to watch something i want it now bcuz i might not be interested in a few months time (which is generally the case)

    In Australia here the tv networks always show shows ot of chronological order not at set times and don't even show the full series then cut out sections of shows to meet time constraints. They also show a show many months if not years after the show originally goes to air. The cinemas charge a fortune to go to them and I try to go when I can but cant really afford to very often. If I like a movie enough and a show enough I buy it on DVD/Blu Ray. If I was offered DRM and Ad free shows and movies I would be happy to pay a reasonable fee each month for unlimited access to whatever media I wanted. I reckon $30.00 a month is reasonable for that. I want to see what I want to see when I want to see it and until that happens and I am guaranteed of getting what I want I will continue to go about it an unorthodox manner. I am sick of the networks dictating to me what I should be watching hence the reason I rarely watch aired TV. If these companies want to try and continue to try and pay millions into stopping piracy maybe they should pay millions into listening to what we want and how we want it. They need to keep up with tech and stop trying to sue the crap out of it!

    The only times I ever pirate are when games I want to play aren't released in this country. I buy everything else.

    I have a busy schedule and currently pay the ridiculously high rate for the premium package and IQ2 from Foxtel; yet I am not willing to wait 3-6 months to watch my favourite shows however so downloading becomes the only option available.

    I don't care about advertising but more about convenience.
    Bring on the NBN and hopefully Hulu (or a similar service) will work out a partnership with some ISPs to allow you to stream content without it counting towards your monthly limit.

    As far as music is concerned I buy 90% of my music from iTunes due to convenience; also the bonus of having the album automatically added to my iCloud account so if I delete it I can always download it again from anywhere in the world. I only purchase physical CDs when the bonus content like a DVD with concert footage.

    I currently watch free to air TV and the network makes money by showing me tampon ads. An online service would have my details and could insert ads to the content that applied to me and therefore have a higher value than the current model so it is definitely viable or you could pay the revenue they receive from ads to have an ad free service, i think this would be a low number per person, ISP royalties could also be worked into this so digital downloads from these services were not included in caps. It's a new business model that is equivalent to the old, why should it cost the price of a dvd to watch a show online? when they only make a fraction of that for watching currently. Update the business models and it should solve the problem. I think with what some people currently pay for newsgroup subscriptions and large bandwidth and data caps it would not cost anyone more but result in a fair distribution of revenues.

    Also, Motormouth is a total troll when it comes to piracy debate. The question in this post is what would it take for you to stop pirating? Therefore any answer is correct as it is an opinion. Motormouths solution is always that anyone should be proscecuted for wanting to live in the digital age and have on demand access to media whether they pay for it or not. I think he's in a crappy band or something and blames their lack of success on piracy, that or he works for channel 9.

    There is clearly a huge demand that is not being met by the content owners. They can try to control the content and lock it down all they want, but it has been demonstrated again and again that this doesn't work.

    If the owners of the content can deliver it effectively and at the right price to their customers AT THE TIME THEY WANT IT, then they would be able to take advantage of that demand. Instead, they focus on trying to mold the market... what a waste of time! The demand is there, you fools. Meet it or perish.

    I buy quite a few blu-rays and dvds every month, but there is always stuff (generally either quite new or quite old) that is hard or impossible to get. I have ordered older DVDs from the USA before, but the hassle was such that I don't bother much any more- I just download. If I could get a $50/month service that delivered the TV and movies I want (when I want them) it would be a no brainer for me. Depending on the quality of the service I would even pay more than that,

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