How To Be Tougher, With Survivorman's Les Stroud 

Photo: Laura Bomber

This week we chat with Les Stroud, the creator and star of the hit TV series Survivorman. Alice and staff writer Nick Douglas talk with Les about just how one becomes an expert in surviving, as well as the one aspect of survival that he finds nearly impossible to endure.

We’re also joined by our old friend, divorce attorney James J. Sexton. James tells us the five steps to developing a thick skin — emotionally, that is. Plus, a new segment!

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In This Episode

Intro and 'Go Ask Alice (or Melissa)' (0:40 - 5:40)

In which Melissa asks Alice for advice, and Alice attempts to give it.

Five Steps to Becoming Emotionally Tougher, With James J. Sexton (6:44 - 12:19)

Divorce attorney James J. Sexton tells us how to tough it out during the most trying of times. (Ice-cold showers not necessary.)

The Interview: Les Stroud (12:57 - 34:16)

Survivorman’s Les Stroud talks about what it takes to survive in the wilderness, the times he was truly frightened, what he was like as a kid, and what he really thinks of his competitors.

Upgrade of the Week ( 34:25 - 42:54)

This week Melissa and Alice are joined by producer Levi Sharpe. Our upgrades? Being wary of third-party sellers on Amazon; revelling in the darkness with podcasts Dr Death and Uncover: Escaping NXIVM, and the show The Sinner; and a mental reframing technique that helps you appreciate what you’re doing. Bonus: It doesn’t involve a gratitude journal.


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