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Remember The Milk's Co-Founder On The Future Of Task Management
Posted by Kevin Purdy at 3:00 AM on October 1, 2008

Web-based task manager Remember the Milk is one of our Lifehacker readers' favourites, and for good reason. The web-centered service has expanded since its inception in 2005 to work with tons of platforms, apps, and interfaces, yet it's remained focused on doing what it does best—telling you what needs to happen next, no matter where you are. We wanted to learn more about how Remember the Milk was born, gets upgraded, and where it wants to go in the future, so we traded a few emails with Emily Boyd, one of the webapp's co-founders, who is based in Sydney. Read on to hear Boyd's answers to our burning questions about RTM. Thanks to Jason F. for the photo illustration!
Lifehacker: Can you tell us the origin story of Remember the Milk? Was it a coffee-fuelled, late-night frustration with to-do lists, or was it an idea that grew over time?
Emily Boyd: Remember the Milk (RTM) originated because we were hopelessly disorganised and fed up with constantly forgetting things, including the milk. This was 2004, so we saw Gmail launch, and thought that AJAX apps were the most awesome thing ever (though the term "AJAX" hadn't been invented yet, so maybe we were like, "Man, that app using the XMLHttpRequest object for asynchronous communication is the most awesome thing ever"). So, we decided to build a web app to help us remember stuff.
RTM was originally intended as something for just the two of us [myself and co-conspirator Omar Kilani], but we decided to put it on the Interwebs in case others found it useful too. We launched in October 2005, and it kind of just grew from there!
Lifehacker: What particular niche were you trying to fill in the realm of to-do lists and task management? Did you learn from the failings or restrictions of other apps?
Emily Boyd: The biggest thing for us was simply being able to access and manage your tasks from anywhere. It's no good having your tasks stuck on a single computer (or piece of paper you forgot to bring with you) if the urge to add a task or review your list strikes you when you're out running errands, at home, at work, on a bus, or wherever. Plus, Notepad can't send reminders.
The idea of an online to-do list wasn't new (I think pretty much everything was done in Web 1.0) but we were inspired by Gmail to create an AJAX app. Nothing ruins productivity zen like page loads.
Lifehacker: RTM hooks into a lot of different webapps and offers up access from all kinds of platforms. What process does your team go through in deciding whether to embrace and write code to support some new thing that comes along, rather than working on core improvements?
Emily Boyd: It's tough! We try our best to juggle both, but it can be especially tricky with a small team. Sometimes user expectations are a factor (right now there's a lot of demand for something that starts with an "i" and ends with a "Phone"), but we try to balance things out and make sure there's something for everyone. :)
Lifehacker: A lot of people are probably wondering what RTM's long-term revenue model is, aside from paid Pro accounts. Can you fill us in?
Emily Boyd: We actually didn't even have a business model until a year ago, when we figured out that working full-time, unpaid on RTM and spending all our money on hosting infrastructure for a growing service wasn't, like, the most sustainable idea ever. Whoops.
We're pretty happy with the Pro account model, as it allows us to keep the service sustainable and mostly free. We're even growing our team a little bit (beyond the original two people and a stuffed monkey), so we're excited about that.
Lifehacker: RTM's iPhone interface won it a design award from Apple, which is no small feat. Can we guess that an actual App Store application is in the works?
Emily Boyd: I'd say that would be a pretty good guess... we're huge iPhone fans. :)
Lifehacker: There have been quite a few cool interfaces, widgets, and other utilities designed by third parties to integrate RTM into Linux/Mac/Windows desktops, or set up interactions with other apps. To what extent do you work with, or at least hear from, the coders of these apps?
Emily Boyd: It's awesome to see the stuff that people come up with using the RTM API. We blog about some of the cool things we hear about and think that RTM users would find especially useful, and feature some on the site too.
We have a Google Group for API discussion, and there are a bunch of nice folks on there who help out others if they get stuck on any of the tricky bits of API coding. We work individually with developers as well, but a lot of the time, people just take the API and run with it.
Lifehacker: With the recent releases of Chrome, the Android phone OS, and the wider adoption of Gears, some are suggesting that the idea of "the Web as Desktop" is becoming a lot more real. You were one of the enthusiastic early adopters of Gears, so we'd ask your take on where you think desktop and web apps are headed?
Emily Boyd: Gears is awesome! We're obviously very passionate about web apps at RTM, so the launch of Gears was kind of like, "Ha! One less reason people can use to cling to desktop apps."
Web apps inherently have some big advantages over their desktop counterparts (being, you know, web-based and accessible from anywhere for one) but it's those reasons like lack of offline access that have held web apps back a little bit in the past.
Greater focus on JS performance (ala Chrome) and very JS-capable browsers on phones (Android and iPhone) also help in getting closer to that "Web as Desktop" reality. I'm not sure we'll see web apps completely replacing desktop ones, as not every type of app gains an advantage being web-based. Then again, I don't think many people would have imagined using apps like spreadsheets online even 5 years ago. So who knows!
Lifehacker: What other technologies, or changes in technology, are you hoping come around that would make RTM more useful, and expand it to a wider audience?
Emily Boyd: I wish I knew what was coming... we could start coding for it already. :)
It'll be cool to see further innovation in mobile devices; I think that anything that gives people more Internet connectivity without being tied to a computer provides pretty exciting opportunities for web services. RTM anywhere!
Lifehacker: Can you run us through your typical work day, and how RTM fits into it? Do you follow a GTD-like methodology, create multiple lists, use extensive tagging ...?
Emily Boyd: The day has to start with coffee; RTM is powered by caffeine. Once coffee is acquired, I hit my feeds in Google Reader (including Lifehacker, of course), check my email, and review my day's tasks in RTM before getting to work on, well, RTM (is that meta?).
I'm a tasks freak, but I don't follow any particular methodology. Actually, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I haven't read the Getting Things Done book yet!
My RTM setup is something of a hybrid: I use lists for higher level organisation (separating work from personal, etc), tag extensively to break down my lists, and use locations to provide context. I also have a bunch of Smart Lists that allow me to filter my tasks in different ways. For instance, I have a Smart List that shows my errands that don't have due dates; I make myself review that one periodically, even though it's full of "tasks that suck". If only RTM could do your tasks for you...
Lifehacker: What are the hardest, and best, parts of your job?
Emily Boyd: Hmm, tricky. The hardest part is probably deciding which features to implement, and trying to make everybody happy. We get a lot of requests for "the one feature that would make RTM perfect" — the only problem is that it's a different feature for each person!
There are over 10,000 posts on the RTM Ideas forum, with lots of awesome feedback, but unfortunately we just can't implement everything. Even if we could add so many features, the end result would most likely be a monstrosity that wouldn't make anybody happy! It can be tough to make feature decisions, knowing that it's impossible to achieve universal user happiness (but it never hurts to try).
The best part of doing my job? Getting to work each day on something I love (awww). No seriously, it's a lot of fun, and I love working on something that people (hopefully!) find useful in their daily lives.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Jon Dee
Posted October 1, 2008 10:33 AM
If you haven't used Remember The Milk yet you should - it's awesome! I use it ALL the time - the TODO program on the iPhone also links to RTM which is very cool.
Looking forward to the RTM official iPhone App - especially if it has tags enabled.
arod
Posted 4:07 AM 1/10/08
@Gina Trapani: Yes it is a killer webapp but it hasn't really been monetized yet. As a web developer, I hope we can lend some of the creativity and innovative spirit from the tech world to the business world. Developers need to eat too and we still haven't found a great way to monetize our Web 2.0 work.
arod
booticon
Posted 4:06 AM 1/10/08
I CAN HAS IPHONE APP?
booticon
inthefastlane
Posted 3:48 AM 1/10/08
Like it. Like sharing task lists. Would also like an iphone app, since I have a shared task list w/ my family that I use for groceries, but in the middle of the grocery store I have no cell reception any more.
inthefastlane
onemoreday
Posted 3:36 AM 1/10/08
@allspiritseve:
These people does:
[www.rememberthemilk.com]
onemoreday
casperOne
Posted 3:32 AM 1/10/08
"tons of platforms, apps, and interfaces"
And yet there is ZERO support for syncing directly with Outlook, which is where a good number of people keep all of their tasks.
There is a VERY long comment thread at the RTM site with a number of people asking, as recently as today:
[www.rememberthemilk.com]
It would have been nice if you asked her why it's not there, considering that their customers have been asking for it for over a year and a half now.
casperOne
marc_with_a_c
Posted 3:30 AM 1/10/08
So far I have to say that RTM is the best app I've found for me! I have been working with Outlook/Exchange since it came to be and was never able to make the tasks useful to me. I've tried other systems including trusty paper and it never seemed to stick. RTM is that perfect amount of easy to work with, power and accessibility. Even use the sync tool to make my blackberry and therefore outlook tasks all match up. Too bad the blackberry tasks app is horrible :(
Thanks again for a great product!!
marc_with_a_c
allspiritseve
Posted 3:23 AM 1/10/08
Sigh... nobody pays attention to little old Symbian. It's all iphone, iphone, iphone...
allspiritseve
Gina Trapani
Posted 3:14 AM 1/10/08
Remember the Milk is amazing. When we started Lifehacker in January of 2005, the whole GTD and life hack thing was just starting to crest, and I swear, in that first year we covered dozens of web-based to-do lists. It felt like a new one came out every week. RTM started in October of 2005, 10 months after we launched, and since then has just consistently killed it.
When a product that does something that's already been done a gazillion times starts in a crowded field like that, and pulls away from the competition just by being consistently better, responsive to user requests, and extensible to the platforms people want--that's the model of how to develop a successful webapp. Kudos to Emily and team.
Gina Trapani
xxdesmus
Posted 4:22 AM 1/10/08
RTM is great, but the web interface is horrendous. Please revamp the web UI, please make a native iPhone/Touch app, and pretty please create a Outlook syncing app as well (instead of having to sync it via my WinMobile phone).
xxdesmus
presterjohn
Posted 6:13 AM 1/10/08
Nice interview! Good answers to good questions.
I love RTM but there are definitely improvements I'd like to see too:
• I agree with the earlier post that the web interface could use a lot of sprucing up.
• The Quicksilver interface has completely changed the way I use RTM for the better. But I wish it would also allow me to view tasks rather than just add them.
• A real iPhone app that had location-awareness would be awesome. That's something I'd actually be willing to pay for.
Still, for a free (and ad-free AFAIK) service, RTM rocks. It's amazing they can do what they do with such a small staff. Keep it up.
presterjohn
DJRRJr.
Posted 6:10 AM 1/10/08
I've heard about RTM a million times, but have yet to use it. Maybe I should get on that. I use a computer a lot at work and home, but I rarely use my cell phone. Would I still find it useful?
DJRRJr.
cliffordthered
Posted 6:20 AM 1/10/08
I struggled with it for a couple of years. It's very nice, and probably has the cleanest interface, but without an Outlook sync it renders it kind of pointless. I now use Toodledo because it has a great sync and does basically everything RTM does. The bottom line is Getting things done and Toodledo does it better for me.
cliffordthered
pdfetc
Posted 6:56 AM 1/10/08
Without outlook sync, i can't keep committing to rtm. i am getting tired of waiting for it. if anything else has a gmail integration and outlook , i would jump at it right now
pdfetc
xxdesmus
Posted 7:29 AM 1/10/08
@pdfetc: do you have a Windows Mobile phone? That's how I sync RTM with Outlook (using the Milk Sync app ...I'm a pro subscriber though).
xxdesmus
aerialsoul
Posted 7:54 AM 1/10/08
I also love RTM, but agree w/ others on this thread:
1. Outlook sync would be very, very good (I'm willing to pay for a PRO acct for this feature)
2. The main web UI is very difficult to use -- it wasn't until I printed out the keyboard shortcuts and memorized several of them that it became usable. Before that I used the mobile UI even on my desktop browser. I also find myself preferring the GMail add-in at times for some edits.
aerialsoul
mobilejray
Posted 7:38 AM 1/10/08
As others have said, Outlook integration/syncing is key.
I know so many people that look at RTM and think it's a great idea and love the idea of accessing their to-do list on the go and in a great interface like RTM offers, however, when they ask, "where do I get the Outlook sync client?" and I tell them, "there isn't one", that's when I hear... "awwweeee maaaaaaannnnn."
I think your RTM is doing a GREAT job and should keep doing what they're doing - except, add Outlook support.
mobilejray
seffyroff
Posted 8:36 AM 1/10/08
It's web based, therefor cannot be used for work. We have to retain all data on our own LAN. Trusting our confidential data to some web app is not an option.
seffyroff
xxdesmus
Posted 8:58 AM 1/10/08
@seffyroff: So don't put social security numbers and trade secrets in your to do list? I work for a large health care company, and I just make a very obvious point to never put information on my to do list that is sensitive material. It's just common sense.
xxdesmus
allspiritseve
Posted 9:50 AM 1/10/08
@onemoreday:
Yep. My name's on there. Unfortunately, Symbian comes in third place (fourth, now that people are starting to talk about Android) when people talk about cool new apps.
I would LOVE an RTM app on my E51. Or at the very least, a way to sync RTM with my phone's to do list. It's just not possible yet though, and nobody seems to care.
allspiritseve
rmiller07
Posted 10:31 AM 1/10/08
Awesome interview. Thanks guys!
rmiller07
jkrell
Posted 1:19 PM 1/10/08
I love RTM!!! I hate Outlook (far too bloated to use for anything but work). I am one of the people pestering the RTM folks for an iPod/iPhone app so hopefully that comes soon. I use Appigo's ToDo now but it is not very good. RTM will likely do it better. I also have a PRO account, as I like to support products that I believe in.
Great interview -- thanks to both Lifehacker and Emily Boyd for doing it.
jkrell
grahamr
Posted 9:56 PM 1/10/08
@casperOne: I have to agree on that one, the lack of a real BB application and Outlook integration (and therefore exchange) is what is keeping me only using it "lightly" for personal stuff. outlook and a bazillion categories is still the best bet for business. (for me that is)
Great interview - i can't wait to see what is in store for RTM though!
grahamr
bachya
Posted 1:49 PM 2/10/08
@seffyroff: This is why SSL was invented.
bachya
RenataWachter
Posted 12:29 PM 1/10/08
I paid for RTM PRO when I had an iPhone (1st gen). I then sold an got a Nokia E71-2. LOVE it. Anyhow, I don't really miss not having an "app" for RTM. I mean, I have a wireless signal and internet/wifi everywhere (except in flight) so it's not really an issue for me. ...Although if you create a Symbian app, of course I'll be happy (and the great majority of cell users worldwide....ah-hem...)
RenataWachter
ShaktiAcoetes
Posted 10:03 AM 1/10/08
no symbian s60 sync...worthless. I use upvise, which stinks, but at least they have an s60 sync. iPhones are for (l)users who like walled gardens and hate their own freedom, I won't touch any device where the manufacturer says they will sue me if I use the device to my pleasure and share my finding with friends. RTM needs to think different and support symbian.
ShaktiAcoetes
ext212
Posted 7:18 AM 3/10/08
Still one of my favorites.
ext212
EvilMole
Posted 1:42 AM 4/10/08
@RenataWachter: Of course, there's nothing stopping someone developing an S60 application for RTM - the API is there for anyone to do so.
EvilMole
EvilMole
Posted 1:38 AM 4/10/08
@booticon: Soon, young padawan.
EvilMole
qdump
Posted 9:43 AM 6/10/08
@bachya: SSL only protects the info while in transit ... SSL does nothing to help the data stored on the RTM servers which may be accidentally refurbished and sold on ebay to some unsuspecting dude in the UK.
qdump
OlgaS
Posted 6:41 PM 6/10/08
I would agree with most of the users that RTM is very good at managing tasks on-line.
Still I would use Task2Gather ([task2gather.com]). It is free of charge now, it has iPhone app (Windows Mobile app is going also to be released), it has iCalendar subscription, it has tree structure and ability to share projects. These are just few advantages of these service.
OlgaS