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Outlook vs. Gmail—The Definitive Comparison
Posted by Lifehacker US Edition at 1:30 AM on July 19, 2008

Editor: Being digital vagabonds without an Exchange server, we Lifehacker writers use online apps like Gmail and Google Calendar to get things done. But can an Outlook user make the switch without losing out? Guest contributor Jared Goralnick's here today to take a look.
Gmail launched in 2004 and has matured each year, but Microsoft Outlook (with Exchange) is still the most popular tool for accessing email. Comparing the two side by side, is it time to jump ship from either platform? Let's find out.
This comparison below is based on Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 with Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 and Google Apps for your Domain's free version of Gmail.
There are many differences between the two products in terms of how they can be configured and the type of workflow that they support. I'll go through each area of difference below, comparing and contrasting. At the end, you'll find an overall comparison and some recommendations.
Search
Microsoft greatly improved its search capabilities with Outlook 2007. This is probably the most important reason users of earlier versions would upgrade—because, let's be honest, searching in Outlook used to take hours to perform. Their search is now powered by Windows Desktop Search and does a good job of returning results fast.
But Gmail is still much faster. And as an added hassle, if Outlook ever returns incorrect or incomplete search results you have to dig into the settings to tweak or rebuild your search index, hoping that you can fix the problem.
One advantage of Outlook search is that it searches within attachments. Google Desktop Search would accomplish this if you used a separate email program (even Outlook!), but the Gmail web interface does not. Still, the inability to search within attachments is a small price to pay for the superior speed and accuracy of Gmail's search.
Search Verdict: Gmail wins for a faster and more reliable search. Outlook is just a step behind with full attachment search.
Folders vs. Labels: How To File Messages
Gmail departs from the traditional folder tree by using "labels," which are essentially tags. What's nice about labels is that one message can be assigned multiple labels (effectively making it appear in what seem to be separate folders) without having to copy the message. For instance, if a message relates to both "family" and "work," then with Gmail you can mark it with both labels and find those messages in either of those label-folders. In a traditional tree, you would have to choose only one folder (or duplicate the message).

Outlook has always had categories, which behave similarly. In version 2007, Outlook created a faster system that used color-coded/named categories and Search Folders to perform nearly the same functionality as Gmail. Most people are not aware of this feature because it's less noticeable than the Outlook folder tree and would require setting up search folders for each category to function like Gmail labels. However, since categories have no relationship to the folder location of an item they're not a complete replacement for the folder tree.
On the surface, labels seem superior to a folder tree—after all, tags are the preferred method of identifying data on many new web sites. There are a few problems with labels, though:
- There's no such thing as "sub-labels." As such, if you decide to use Google like a folder tree, you'll quickly discover that the hierarchy is only one-level.
- There is no drag and drop functionality in the Gmail web interface (most likely since applying a label isn't necessarily moving it from one label to another).
- Gmail's labels are not 100% compatible with IMAP support. They're mostly compatible, but some people (like me) may run into synchronisation issues.
In Outlook, a label-like feature is available but harder to access. It has additional filtering and organizational capabilities, but most users might not dig that deeply into the software to find them, especially since in Outlook one still has to work with the folder tree to move items out of the Inbox.
Folders vs. Labels Verdict: Gmail wins for a simpler, generally more flexible approach.
Rules vs. Filters: How To Automatically Process Mail
Outlook has many more options for routing messages than Gmail, or at least it appears so. Compare these two screenshots (Gmail above, Outlook below) for an idea:

While it appears there are more options available within Outlook, Google has done a better job of helping people get to the most relevant options right away. Gmail also allows you to test exactly how the filter would behave before you save it:

Outlook has taken a step in the right direction by providing a right-click option called "Create Rule...." It does a better job of exposing the most relevant information, but it's still not as easy to configure or test as with Gmail.

Note that Microsoft Exchange users may benefit more from rules than standalone Microsoft Outlook users. Gmail is a server-side tool, so its filters will affect Gmail mail, regardless of where you access it. Microsoft Exchange users will also have this benefit. However, if you do not have Microsoft Exchange and your Microsoft Outlook is not running, the rules will not be processed. This can be frustrating when checking mail remotely.
Once again we have a similar divide—most people will be better off with the faster to configure and easier to test Gmail results, but Outlook has more features.
In my experience with clients and colleagues, people don't use as many Outlook rules as they do Gmail filters, even though filtering is a huge help with the volume of email many of us receive. This leads me to believe that Outlook's rules are more intimidating.
Rules vs. Filters Verdict: Google wins for a simpler, more approachable interface.
Contacts
Contacts are one of the core features of any email application. Both Gmail and Outlook do a great job. A main difference, however, is that Gmail automatically creates contacts based on your email correspondence, whereas you must create contacts yourself in Outlook.
If you don't keep an address book and don't plan to, Gmail's Contacts feature is a sufficient Band-Aid in that you never to have to visit Contacts to get some benefits. That is, it remembers email information long after a correspondence.
Outlook also remembers the email addresses of people you've corresponded with, but it stores the addresses in a hard to find text file (called an NK2 file) that people often forget to backup. As such, when people get a new workstation or reinstall Windows they often lose the email information that they thought they had "stored."
If most of your contact activities are about email correspondence, then Gmail and Outlook are roughly comparable since they both hold onto the core data.
But depending on your needs, the products differ greatly beyond that:
- If you use a lot of shiny new web applications, they can often import your contacts directly from Gmail (much faster than your Outlook contacts).
If you want to track customer correspondence, Gmail's "Recent Conversations" view makes this a snap. Outlook still hasn't figured this out—it's "Activities" area should be the answer, but it's painfully slow and inaccurate at best. (Instead Microsoft recommends either Outlook Business Contact Manager or Microsoft CRM, two tools that are no walk in the park to implement -- but are darn cool if you can swing it).- If you regularly mail merge in Word or do anything that involves contact data in Windows, Outlook contacts are your best option (yes, anything is possible, but it's fewer steps with Outlook contacts).
- If you synchronise with a mobile device, Outlook is your best option since it works with nearly every PDA device (BlackBerry, PalmOne, Windows Mobile, the iPhone, iPods, etc.) whether the synchronisation is USB or over the internet.
- If you work in an office with Microsoft Exchange, contacts can be shared and synchronised, which is very helpful.
- If you have lots of contacts, then Outlook offers dozens of ways to organise and view them, from separate folders to flags to categories to "recently added," and it also offers privacy settings for sharing only some of them
Contacts Verdict: No winner. If you're in a business environment, Outlook likely wins. Otherwise, there's no clear choice.
Spam Filtering
Gmail's Spam Filtering is top notch, Outlook's is not. But most businesses don't use the out-of-the-box Outlook spam filtering, whereas most Gmail users do use the default spam blocking.
My two issues with Gmail's spam filtering are:
It doesn't completely eliminate the stuff that's obvious as spam (you still have to wade through it). With Google's purchase of Postini we'll hopefully see some improvements in this area, but I find it difficult to skim through 500 spam messages per day, and inevitably don't bother- There are still occasional false positives (non-spam that gets sent to the Spam folder), which is unfortunate when a lot of people never read through the Spam folder
Gmail wins on spam, since there's no installation necessary. For businesses, or people who subscribe to a Hosted Exchange service, a commercial anti-spam service will likely perform better than either product out-of-the-box. (However, most commercial anti-spam solutions can be used with Google Apps for Your Domain as easily as they can be used with Exchange.) Note: the spam count in the image above is a joke.
Spam Filtering Verdict: Gmail wins for doing a decent job without any installation.
Storage Space
Outlook with Microsoft Exchange often has a high price associated with server storage space. In other words, most companies limit the amount of storage space for an "Exchange store"—the amount of Exchange data you're allowed to store on the server. Usually this equates to somewhere between 100 MB and 2 GB (since email storage is expensive for businesses).
Gmail users have 6.76 GB for no charge (or 25 GB for $US50/year). The storage they provide regularly increases.
Businesses might feel they are offering reasonable limits to their users, except that many people still attach big files to emails rather than linking to them. Thus there are often many people who have to clean up or archive their email every few weeks. While there are reasons for this (due to the cost of storage), it's a complaint I encounter frequently with clients.
People who use Outlook without an Exchange connection have nothing to worry about with regard to storage space, but they should be careful to backup and split their PST (Personal Storage files) regularly after they hit a couple GB.
Another caveat is that storing your email in the Google cloud is a tough pill to swallow for some people and many businesses. As such, that factor alone may be a deal-breaker, regardless of the convenience.
Both Outlook and Gmail offer plenty of options for file storage, but I, for one, am sick of all the work I have to do to keep my Exchange store size trimmed. Until Exchange storage gets less expensive or businesses suck up more of the costs (sorry!), I'm handing this category to Google.
Storage Space Verdict: Gmail wins for generally offering more space for less (or no!) money, but this depends on a whole host of factors.
User Experience
Outlook and Gmail offer very different user interfaces, with Gmail generally being simpler and Outlook often being more full-featured. Here are some differences:- Gmail's Threaded view is much simpler than Outlook's Arrange By Conversation (and better yet, it always takes up less screen space to display threads, whereas Outlook's often takes more)
- Search is what you live for in Gmail, and it's near the core of the user experience, in a good way
- Outlook allows you to drag-and-drop messages for filing (or creating tasks)
- Outlook has a sort feature. I partially understand why Gmail views don't sort, but I still have trouble getting past this conspicuous shortcoming
- Both programs have keyboard shortcuts (see Gmail's), but Outlook's are easier to discover (since they're displayed)
- Gmail shows the first few words of an email in the one-line view; Outlook offers a reading pane that makes it easier to get the whole story fast (similar to Google Reader)
User Experience Verdict: No winner. This is even more a matter of opinion than my other verdicts!
Workflow
I use both Gmail and Outlook because they offer very different options for workflow. Outlook offers many ways to process your email and manage your responsibilities, and it works particularly well with top-down / hierarchical / everything-has-a-place approaches. Gmail does not offer as many workflow options, but it's very easy to find items regardless of where you placed them.
Certain activities fit nicely within Gmail's confines and others benefit from Outlook's larger feature-set. You can read more about how I've resolved which scenarios fit which tool, and why I use both.
For the business user with many responsibilities, Outlook's expanded feature-set (tasks, task sharing, message flagging, shared contact list, etc.) is a huge reason why the product is dominant in the workforce.
If little or none of your email turns into tasks, Gmail's filtering, labelling, and search make it a good choice. But since for many people, email inevitably leads to deferred responsibilities, and Google Apps does not yet natively support tasks, I'm going to hand the workflow to Outlook. Fortunately Remember the Milk makes tasks possible in Gmail.
Workflow Verdict: Outlook wins, for natively supporting tasks and offering more workflow flexibility.
Mobility
Depending on the device, you might have better luck with one or the other. Gmail provides a Java-based application that works well on the BlackBerry, and it has a great interface for most mobile devices, including the iPhone. Microsoft Exchange includes Microsoft ActiveSync, which is a full-featured over-the-air synchronisation technology that keeps not just email but task, calendar, and contact items up to date.
Both Microsoft Exchange and Gmail offer scaled down interfaces that work well via web access on mobile devices. (Gmail's is available by accessing their site from a mobile browser or by visiting m.google.com/a. Microsoft Exchange users can access an often overlooked tool called Outlook Mobile Access—just ask your Exchange administrator for the URL to "OMA" on your server.)
Many people have never seen Microsoft's full mobile experience because they are simply using the desktop version of Outlook and/or are not on a Microsoft Exchange server. But I have to hand this to Microsoft, since Exchange not only synchronises email but also calendar, contacts, and tasks, making this information fully accessible offline via ActiveSync (or other third-party services like BlackBerrys').
If you don't have access to an Exchange server but prefer Outlook most of the time, your best bet is to use Gmail as your email host and Outlook as an IMAP application—then you'll at least get much better mobile access than what is likely provided by your Internet Service Provider. We'll see if/how MobileMe changes the landscape.
Mobility Verdict: Outlook with Exchange wins. And non-Exchange Outlook users could host their email with Gmail to get its mobile tools anyway.
Support
Just today I tried to help a friend with her Google Apps for your Domain configuration, and she had signed up for the paid plan. She ultimately gave up. Like it or not, it's easier to find business-level support on the Microsoft Outlook/Exchange platform than Google's.
I happily use both Hosted Exchange and Google Apps for different purposes, but I know that for critical business needs there's a person who I can get on the phone to help with Exchange problems. Google offers support, but they have a very different model and are not providing the "on call support" that many businesses depend on.
If you're a do it yourself-er, you have much less chance of messing things up with Google Apps for your Domain than by setting up Exchange yourself. However, Hosted Exchange providers and a large pool of qualified technicians are a better alternative for the tricky issues that come up when you least expect them.
Note: if you're the "family geek," I highly recommend getting Google Apps for your Domain. I recently switched siblings, parents and grandparents to this and it's a breath of fresh air. Exchange was a bit too costly and unnecessary an option for family technical support.
Support Verdict: Outlook wins for having a larger support ecosystem.
Findings Table
The Fine Print: These are merely my opinions. Don't take these as Lifehacker's, the Word From Above, etc. I like both products a lot (even Outlook!), and they're just very different. Conclusions, And What The Future Holds
Outlook and Gmail are very different approaches to email organisation. Over time, Google has begun to add more features and Microsoft has improved its search and scaled-down complex features. They have very different and very apparent roots, but things are changing.
I personally use Outlook for business correspondence and managing responsibilities, and Gmail for social media and most web activities. Some people combine their activities and choose just one email application, and that's fine, too.
If one thing is clear, it's that Gmail has become an increasingly mature product that can be used for business. With the Postini acquisition, Google is beginning to offer enterprise-level services (like compliance archiving, service level agreements, and more comprehensive spam policies). I foresee the addition of tasks and integration with the Google Search Appliance positioning Google squarely against Microsoft.
At the same time, Microsoft has long been making progress in the Software as a Service space, primarily with their hosted Exchange offering and now with hosted Microsoft CRM. Earlier this month, Microsoft announced that it would begin offering these services directly instead of just through partners, with starting prices well under $US10/user per month (as of now with 5 user minimums, and no clear Australian plans). This positions them squarely against Google.
Competition here is crucial for our success, as it's a large part of our own productivity as knowledge workers. Regardless of the tool you pick (Thunderbird's pretty awesome, too!), you'll have plenty of company and some welcome changes ahead.
Jared Goralnick is a Productivity Evangelist for AwayFind, a tool that helps you to stop checking email. Check out his time-saving hacks on his blog at Technotheory.com.
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Jared Goralnick
Posted 2:22 AM 19/7/08
Thanks for all the feedback--just trying to shed some light on the fact that a business CAN function off either product and that there are some tangible reasons why. If you head to the Valley, many startups are on Google Apps. Where I am in DC it's mostly an Exchange world. But there's merit to both sides and I just wanted to throw out some ideas.
@radink: It's a tough comparison, but I've been watching companies make the jump. Sorry that it's not an option for everyone.
@bann3d: yeah, that's me, techn00b ;-). I welcome your points--when I get back from a flight later today we can have some banter.
@cannonlover: sorry not to cover calendar, at 3200 words I had to pull back. But yes, that's a big part of the story.
@natenovs: I hear you about search speed--Microsoft has always relied on Moore's Law and for some people it works great. I'm glad that you've had good luck with it. Also, good point about Live offering a very different grounds for comparison. I guess I've just been thinking a lot lately about business adoption of Google Apps, and I haven't seen Live really make any headway in that space. Maybe the next comparison :-).
Thank you all for the feedback. I'm hopping on a flight now (any of you all going to PodCamp Boston?) but I'll check in later and throw out some more ideas.
Jared Goralnick
Jim
Posted 2:19 AM 19/7/08
While I love Gmail - Outlook still better integrates Mail, Calendar, Todo, etc...
If Google would tighten up the GMail/GCal integration and buy Rememember the Milk they could crush Microsoft where it hurts...
Jim
HFC
Posted 2:17 AM 19/7/08
Not bad, but I think I would have preferred the comparison to be more of the programs themselves rather than talking about server side aspects (Exchange and ...For Your Domain). Also adding a third program, like Thunderbird would be nice.
Overall, it was pretty good, though I got the feeling you already liked Gmail better than Outlook.
HFC
Capsaicin
Posted 2:17 AM 19/7/08
Google,
Please add: Sort. Saved searches (without FF add-ons). More control over filters (see: Eudora).
kthx
Capsaicin
Magnakai Haaskivi
Posted 2:12 AM 19/7/08
I like Outlook because it can sync with my Treo. I like the "Google Calendar Synch" because it sync's my Treo/Outlook calendar to my wife's Google Calendar, which is easier for her to use. Gmail makes it a lot easier to use both, though; you can import contacts, there's the calendar synch thing, etc. And I like Gmail for personal e-mail.
Magnakai Haaskivi
bann3d
Posted 2:03 AM 19/7/08
I have and use both, and Outlook is superior in pretty much every category. I don't know the criteria of the person who did this comparison, but he is supposed to be a "productivity evangelist", he seems like a techn00b. What a lousy person to do a comparison, his arguments are elementary.
bann3d
imdante
Posted 2:02 AM 19/7/08
My work (a Private CA university) is actually considering switching to gmail. the only thing that is truly holding them back is the scheduling meetings part that outlook does so well.
imdante
Al Iguana
Posted 2:02 AM 19/7/08
@cannonlover: you can use Google Calendar Sync to sync your Outlook cal with Google Cal. Works brilliantly.
[www.google.com]
couple that with Imap and you've got the best of both worlds. Almost.
Al Iguana
natenovs
Posted 2:00 AM 19/7/08
im going to have to disagree about search speed. search in outlook 2007 is really fast. i have a pst of over 4 gigs, and it finds things almost instantly.
and i dont understand how gmail keeps winning in things like organization and filters because it is simpler. i like the fact that outlook is considerably more powerful than gmails system. simple for some people is a negative.
also - you're really comparing Exchange vs GMail in some cases. I use Outlook with my Live email account and get 5 gigs free. So, the size discrepancy isn't really fair either.
natenovs
cannonlover
Posted 1:56 AM 19/7/08
No mention of calendar integration? A must for the business community. (disclaimer: I use Thunderbird instead of Outlook and synch my lightning calendar with Google calendar.)
cannonlover
drkkgt
Posted 1:56 AM 19/7/08
@radink: I have to agree with you. I use gmail for my personal email - (although I have it POP to outlook) and use an exchange/outlook system at work. Love both for what they do. Although, I have exchange direct to my windows mobile phone which is awesome. I often get the emails on my phone before outlook pulls them from exchange. and being able to update contacts on my phone from my computer without connecting via USB is handy as well (or vice versa)
drkkgt
Stormbringer
Posted 1:51 AM 19/7/08
I think the best point is that they are different applications with different approaches, so it comes to user preference. Outlook is the mandatory mail application where I work, so I'm more used to it. I *detest* Google's clumsy, ugly Web interface, so I don't want to put effort into it.
Stormbringer
tedyc03
Posted 1:47 AM 19/7/08
Excellent article! Thanks Jared. By the way, AwayFind is awesome!
tedyc03
radink
Posted 1:45 AM 19/7/08
This is like comparing apples to oranges almost. Exchange was built with the company in mind. Gmail is great, but it's more for the anyone crowd. The comparison is almost pointless because people at companies aren't/can't just switch to gmail because they feel like it.
radink
elcojacobs
Posted 2:52 AM 19/7/08
Xobni solves all searching issues for outlook.
No need for a folder structure or contact list, I can find anything or anyone within seconds using Xobni. Without it, searching in outlook is a pain in the ***
www.xobni.com
elcojacobs
Deprong Mori
Posted 2:50 AM 19/7/08
just trying to shed some light on the fact that a business CAN function off either product and that there are some tangible reasons why. If you head to the Valley, many startups are on Google Apps. Where I am in DC it's mostly an Exchange world. But there's merit to both sides and I just wanted to throw out some ideas.
This should have been the first paragraph of the article, so sadly, another strike against this post for neglecting to include the premise and context.
Deprong Mori
slush1000
Posted 2:49 AM 19/7/08
"There's no such thing as "sub-labels."
Using Kmail and IMAP Ive created sub-labels by creating folders and subfolders in Kmail which then shows a Gmail label as "folder/subfolder"
Not sure if this is the same thing but it works for me
slush1000
Paintbait
Posted 2:43 AM 19/7/08
Apples to Oranges is a good analogy, one is a desktop application.
My problem with outlook is it's inherent insecurity and stationary locale. I used Outlook in 1998...I stopped using Outlook in 2001. I'm glad I never went back.
Then again it's all a matter of opinion since they're used for different purposes.
Paintbait
Sockatume
Posted 2:42 AM 19/7/08
I think anyone who's using Outlook as their email client is making some sort of error in principle, regardless of the app's usability. It's a marvellous tool for a whole lot of office tasks (announcing/arranging meetings, global address books, etc.), but for personal email you're only using about 10% of the application. It's like using Excel as your calculator.
Sockatume
Deprong Mori
Posted 2:42 AM 19/7/08
I will echo radink's comment that this really is comparing apples and oranges.
Outlook was initially designed as a desktop corporate client to be used with an Exchange server in a corporate setting.
Gmail was initially designed as a consumer-grade webmail service, to compete with Yahoo! Mail and Hotmail. The author doesn't mention once the fact that Gmail has ads.
While it is possible to compare features side-by-side, this exercise ends up being like a comparison between a Toyota sedan and a Ford pickup truck.
The author obviously put a lot of effort into writing this, but it was a questionable premise to begin with.
The more logical comparison would be Outlook vs. Lotus Notes or a Gmail-Hotmail-Yahoo Mail-Mobile Me showdown.
Deprong Mori
caedus
Posted 2:42 AM 19/7/08
Also, not sure which one this goes to, but if you press the delete key in outlook, it just moves it to 'all mail' in gmail. If i want to delete it, i want to delete it.
caedus
downdb
Posted 2:42 AM 19/7/08
I have to throw in with everyone who has brought up calendars. Yes, Google has a calendar, but not discussing this functionality leaves out probably the single biggest reason large organizations stick to Outlook.
downdb
Alexander Lash
Posted 2:41 AM 19/7/08
@Alexander Lash: Oops. Forgot to mention that it's 32kb pre-2007, and now customizable, but only up to 256kb. Default is now 64kb. Good luck getting your exchange admin to change this, although it's quite easy with the new PowerShell bits.
Set-Mailbox you@company.com -RulesQuota:256KB
Alexander Lash
shockwaver
Posted 2:40 AM 19/7/08
I use outlook with my work exchange (previously using IMAP - but that had its own bundle of problems), and then I have my gmail account IMAPed in outlook at well. Since gmail is now my secondary account I don't use it a huge amount and being overly organized in it is not an issue.
I use outlook because I can create rules to automatically add tasks and calendar entries based on emails (I do some work for a support system, so the automatic emails flag tasks to ensure I don't forget about things). But I loathe the search. Loathe it. Anything I get that I think I will need to search gets forwarded to my gmail account, and I go log in to gmail to search for it.
shockwaver
Alexander Lash
Posted 2:37 AM 19/7/08
Two critical flaws in Rules that makes it a much larger gap. These only apply when using Microsoft Exchange.
1) Certain rule clauses and actions (for example, tag with category) can only be run client-side and will not take effect without Outlook running. This has led me to break several rules in to two stages --- one to get it out of my inbox, and another to finish the job --- otherwise my mobile device is deluged!
2) Every user has a small fixed space (32kb) to store rules on the server. Once you exceed this space, you -cannot- store more rules. Even if those rules must be run client-side. I'm not sure what the cap is, but I'm hitting it right now with about 40 active rules. My GMail is quite happily parsing about sixty. As a result, quite a bit of my e-mail has to be manually filed...
More details at [www.downloadsquad.com] including some 3rd-party workarounds.
Alexander Lash
jarhead
Posted 2:36 AM 19/7/08
Damn it... I hate typos!
jarhead
drsphincter
Posted 2:35 AM 19/7/08
"Storage Space" is NOT applicable and in all fairness, shouldn't be dinged off of Outlook.
drsphincter
jarhead
Posted 2:34 AM 19/7/08
@Jared Goralnick: A startup can work on Google Apps... a 200+ law firm would not.
I too use Outlook at the office and GMail for the social side. I a business truly uses the power of Outlook/Exchange, it cannot be beat. I have seen businesses who use Outlook & Exchange and it is overkill.
Plus, the integration with other Office products is killer. Viewing a PowerPoint presentation or Excel spreadsheet directly in an Outlook e-mail rocks.
jarhead
copiloto
Posted 2:31 AM 19/7/08
My unbeatable combination is GMail/IMAP + Opera M2. It is simply the best of both worlds. But this wouldn't work for companies, of course.
copiloto
Magnakai Haaskivi
Posted 2:30 AM 19/7/08
@chareverie: I think he's talking about the function in Outlook that automatically e-mails contacts when a meeting is scheduled; that's a pretty convenient feature for a lot of people.
Magnakai Haaskivi
leoeris
Posted 2:27 AM 19/7/08
For me, it is not a matter of a choice between the two. I use both. At work, I am in an exchange environment and use Outlook/Entourage/Evolution/OWE. I do not want my work(corporate) and personal email to intermingle, so I use Gmail for personal extra-corporate activities, jobs, correspondences, etc. The two do not contradict each other. One can easily email to the other if necessary.
Now, if I could get gmail to point to my exchange server... I'd never use anything else.
leoeris
MarlonSimpson
Posted 2:27 AM 19/7/08
Given the following statement at the beginning of the post, it's impossible to think that the comparisons are unbiased: Being digital vagabonds without an Exchange server, we Lifehacker writers use online apps like Gmail and Google Calendar to get things done. But can an Outlook user make the switch without losing out? Guest contributor Jared Goralnick's here today to take a look. What would be a more valid comparison guide, IMO, would be to have someone who uses Outlook/Exchange regularly collaborate with the resident Gmail expert and then have them both collaborate on the guide. I think the guide would be much more fair in that sense. The way it looks right now, it seems like you are just looking for a way to bash Outlook. Lets not forget a few important differences which might be important to some people: - I don't have any ads popping up in my display anywhere in Outlook. - I don't have Google indexing EVERY BYTE of my data to enhance their search results and feed me more ads. Finally, the storage space section is pure hogwash. To give a guide and say that most companies limit the amount of storage space for an Exchange store somewhere between 100 MB and 2 GB is garbage. There are many companies (mine included) that don't have any limit on the Exchange store, only limited by disk space. Additionally, with Outlook, you can have a Personal Folders file which the email is delivered to (regardless of whether or not you are using Exchange) which effectively increases your storage space to the size of your hard drive. That's pretty much always going to be better than the 6.76 GB that Google offers. Finally, run spell check once in a while. Comparison is spelled incorrectly in the blog title, and in the URL.
MarlonSimpson
wykell
Posted 2:26 AM 19/7/08
wait, Lotus Notes wasn't included in this comparision? why not???
Oh, that's right, because it is *Expletives Deleted* terrible.
Thanks for this post though, I've been wanting to see a side by side comparison of the two for research reasons, and you just made my life a whole heck of a lot easier.
Now to go convince my overlords to get away from LN...
wykell
chareverie
Posted 2:25 AM 19/7/08
@imdante: Wow, I'm pretty surprised to hear that. Though, I can see how the inability to schedule meetings could make it difficult. Unfortunately GCal doesn't support it, but who knows?
chareverie
Kalidor
Posted 3:21 AM 19/7/08
A good write up, there are somethings that are kinda glossed over or missed, if simply due to how difficult it is to get familiar with Exchange or simply the number of features that Outlook has.
Here is what I would add:
Search
Any system with full text indexing done in the background will be faster searching. Gmail does full text indexing for its advertisement so the index is ready to be searched. Full text indexing can be switched on, but as many users will quickly point out, it slows down your computer by doing this in the background. With Exchange this can be configured to be done on the server, the caveat being that it's rarely done because small and midsized companies want to multi-role their servers.
Labels and Folders
Folders and search folders is probably not the best comparison here. Categories are. That said you an leverage search folders with categories if you really want that folder view.
Rules and Filters
Rather than rules I tend to use search folders. As for the remote access issue, it's a valid concern, but using IMAP and search folders I find that it doesn't matter which computer I use to grab the info the search folders still work. The only caveat here is color categories don't work on IMAP. Oh well.
Spam
Outlook's filter does a pretty good job for me even before I enable SpamAssassin and greylisting on my mail server. That said, I keep my outlook up-to-date with the latest filter files downloaded from office update. This, however, is another thing with full text indexing and running server side. You can do much better heuristics with an impressively huge data-set then a sheepishly tiny one. SpamAssassin gets better the longer you run it. In fact dumping all the spam from several servers I help with into SpamAssassin makes it work much more efficiently each time.
Storage space
The price is not really an issue with Exchange storage but storage in general. Companies tend to like to toss as much stuff onto as few servers as possible. Simply put Google scales out, most companies scale up. Is it the best way to do things? Probably not but it gives manager the impression that they are managing the bottom line.
User Experience
In addition to preview pane Outlook also has Auto Preview which lists the first three lines in the tree. I find this messy and get annoyed when Outlook turns it on for me.
Mobility
I'd also toss in a note in here about OWA (Outlook Web Access) which is a dhtml and stripped down re-visioning of a pseudo-Outlook 2003 (in the latest version of exchange server).
As for access to exchange more and more places are offering cheap and even free Exchange hosting. For instance Mail2Web Live offers you an @mail2web.com using exchange specifically for the ability to make your email work with your Active Sync capable phone.
Kalidor
sitric
Posted 3:18 AM 19/7/08
Thunderbird + Gmail = The Best Experience.
Thunderbird does lightning fast searches.
sitric
arod
Posted 3:17 AM 19/7/08
@Paintbait: Thanks for the more techinal description of the problem. I wanted to emphasize the burden that outlook usually puts on its admins/users to 1) store data locally and 2) backup the data they store locally.
arod
smcutter
Posted 3:15 AM 19/7/08
A few comments from someone who lives in both worlds:
- The 20 seconds of extra time it takes Outlook to search is well worth the ability to search within attachments... you seem to have placed speed at higher priority than accuracy and thoroughness. Also, the added flexibility of Search Folders really pushes Outlook over the top, in my estimation.
- Gmail may have a simpler layout, but I don't know about flexibility. The ability to sort by Categories, create Category-based Search Folders provides far more muscle to Outlook than Gmail can provide.
- The ability to apply a Rule to Outgoing items has benefited me more times than I care to remember. However, I agree that Gmail wins where incoming emails are concerned.
- Where contacts are concerned, I don't see how Gmail even comes close to comparing. Its contact management is worse than Yahoo! Mail's... and that's saying something!
smcutter
bann3d
Posted 3:13 AM 19/7/08
@charnov:
Charnov, great points, and post. Sarbanes Oxley appreciates you.
bann3d
Vishal Gupta -MS MVP
Posted 3:12 AM 19/7/08
Very nice article. I personally use Windows Live mail (desktop client) to access my GMail, Hotmail accounts and it really do the job perfectly. :)
Vishal Gupta -MS MVP
charnov
Posted 3:10 AM 19/7/08
I gotta say a lot is missing from the evaluation of Outlook/Exchange.
Integration with other applications. You know, little things businesses run on, like, CRM, ERP, document management systems, compliance controls, Blackberry Enterprise Server, SharePoint, etc.
Retention and regulatory compliance. Provable, auditable, trackable retention policies capabilities. Regulatory compliance for access to email and tracking changes for little things like the NASD.
Replication, business continuity, and disaster recovery. Granted if Google is down, it's time to grab the bottled water and a shotgun, but they give no guarantee of access, availability, or retention in any form. That's a big 'no' right there.
I can keep going on and on and I haven't even talked about Outlook/Domino or Outlook/GroupWise which also work quite well.
The fact is that Gmail isn't going to satisfy the primary needs of businesses larger than 10 persons without potentially exposing them to considerable financial and legal risks.
Smaller than that and it makes a lot of sense, but you are going to have to migrate to something else someday if you grow. There ARE other email systems out there that will outperform Outlook/Exchange, but I have yet to see a better overall collaborative communications platform, which is what we are really talking about.
charnov
Daniel Genser
Posted 3:10 AM 19/7/08
Other than an occasional need to use Outlook when working within an Exchange-centric environment, I always go back to Gmail's interface.
The only thing missing that I wish Gmail would introduce is some sort of scheduled send functionality. It doesn't seem like this would be too terribly difficult to implement - this type of thing is already available within many blog platforms.
Daniel Genser
adistefano
Posted 3:04 AM 19/7/08
Why use Google Services or MS Outlook?
You could take advantage of the rich MS Outlook interface for access to the unlimited Google services within it.
With this idea in mind we developed KiGoo ([www.getkigoo.com])...
Step by step we will add access to more Google Services within MS Outlook..
adistefano
Paintbait
Posted 3:04 AM 19/7/08
@arod: You described what's called a 'cold site' in technical terms, something most home users don't realize is necessary when dealing with sensitive or large volumes of data that are subject disasters and other incidences that are defined as 'acts of god' (or in lieu thereof [insert deity here], though the technical defines them as 'acts of god'). Outlook isn't even a hotsite, it's one place, your hard drive, if one of ten things happen (the odds of some of these incidences increase with every waking hour with wear and tear on the system) all of your e-mail goes up in (sometimes literally) white smoke.
More to my original point: You can't access outlook from a cold site either. It's all in user configurations and in personal files at another location. Google operates redundant cold and hot sites (hot site being an area that is located a distance from the original site and is less subject to acts of god and can immediately begin working as a redundant system, cold sites are additional redundant storage most likely thousands of miles away that may take several hours to begin functioning).
Though I think this comparison is pointless, it may serve a purpose to those who haven't the time or patience to take college courses, read books and spend laborious hours learning the technical aspect of any of "that computer stuff". Information is still information, even if a vocal minority thinks otherwise. Again I find a need to agree with the current voice, however, in that the comparison is not very justified since one is a desktop application that queries e-mail servers from a remote location and the other is viewed directly in the browser.
Though I have found many Outlook devotees quickly find Mozilla Thunderbird more to their liking (My mother used outlook since she got her first e-mail address in 1998 until around 2007 and she is the farthest from tech savvy and she dislikes reading her mail on a cluttered web page)
Paintbait
MercuryPDX
Posted 3:03 AM 19/7/08
@radink: I have to agree. If we were comparing Outlook to Thunderbird I think it's apples to apples.
I use Outlook at work because I don't have a choice. At home it's Gmail + Thunderbird (with a calendar plug-in) all the way.
MercuryPDX
bann3d
Posted 3:02 AM 19/7/08
@Jared Goralnick:
Lol, I'm not trying to banter, but the article is written from a biased point of view, and to compare Outlook to Gmail is ridiculous coming from a business operation point of view. The article basically states because of Gmails simpicity on certain aspects, it gives it precedence over Outlook. I like the example of using "Excel as a calculator". If you just use Gmail for an email, calendar tool, then fine. I think Outlook is better for both of those as well. The whole, "the fact that a business CAN function off either product" is my whole point. I can run a business with a pad of paper and a pen, doesn't make it better than Outlook or Gmail, because it's more simple. Tool for tool, Outlook kicks Gmail in the butt imo, IF you put the time in to actually LEARN how to use it.
bann3d
arod
Posted 3:01 AM 19/7/08
@elcojacobs: Seconding your Xobni callout. It solves all of Outlooks search problems without having to install MS live search to index your whole PC. It has also just added LinkedIn integration which will pull content from LinkedIn for your contacts. Very cool.
However, Xobni is a commercial tool that is in beta right now. Some where down the line, you'll have to pay to use it.
arod
vicbelt
Posted 3:01 AM 19/7/08
Another thought.
I think Gmail is too much of a leap for most of the business (exchange) crowd. How about Yahoo Mail for business. You get all the goodness of reliability, remote access etc. A web interface more in line with the traditional Outlook-type client. and ... unlimited storage!
I am actually thinking of moving our platform to Yahoo Mail. Am I crazy?
vicbelt
fourtwoseven
Posted 3:00 AM 19/7/08
Thank you for this. I haven't used Outlook in years, since our company uses Thunderbird as it's default. I've been contemplating moving my company email into my gmail, since currently I manage both a huge business email in thunderbird, and a huge personal inbox in gmail.
You've given me something to think about (as for how awesome gmail really is). Thanks again.
fourtwoseven
arod
Posted 2:54 AM 19/7/08
I think an important point to note for storage would be backup/redundancy. The cost of storing live email on exchange is big but it gets increasingly expensive when you start backing up email. If your IT group doesn't back up to a remote location then you are s.o.l. if there is ever a fire/flood/etc in your server room. Also, due to the storage limit imposed on users of Exchange, many save lots of emails to PSTs on their local workstation. THE BACKUP FOR THESE PSTs ARE LEFT UP TO THESE USERS!!! If their PCs ever have a problem (hdd dies, viruses, data corruption, hitting the dreaded 2GB pst limit, etc), then these users LOSE ALL OF THEIR EMAIL!!!
Contrast that against Gmail. Your email is stored on servers across the country. If a Google storage facility burns to the ground, no user will even notice. There is very little chance of the users ever losing any of their email. I think this is an aspect that is often overlooked but very, very important.
arod
vicbelt
Posted 2:54 AM 19/7/08
Not a very useful comparison. They are two different animals.
Something like Outlook Vs. Thunderbird would be more interesting. Or Gmail Vs. Yahoo Mail.
I don't like Outlook at all. I have had all sorts of troubles with the glorified search function. in fact it does not work at all for some of my users. Windows gets stuck indexing the PST files.
I like Thunderbird+Lightning much better.
vicbelt
gokieks
Posted 3:50 AM 19/7/08
Outlook wins on the Contacts category just because GMail puts every single person you ever e-mailed in the contact list automatically, and you can't delete more than 20 at once. Anyone who has used craigslist knows how incredibly annoying this is.
gokieks
ekasbury
Posted 3:48 AM 19/7/08
At the end of the day, Gmail for play and Outlook for work. I have to agree, though, it irks me to no end that you can't sort in Gmail. I often read my mail remotely so it doesn't appear as "read" in Gmail. Since I can't sort read/unread to do a batch "mark as read", I have to spend more time cleaning up. Pain in the arse.
ekasbury
aj_robins
Posted 3:48 AM 19/7/08
I'm using outlook because Apple made me buy a copy of their competitor's software when I got my iPhone (using outlook used to be the only way to get calendar sync on the iPhone). Nowadays, I use outlook because that's still the only way for me to get my google calendar entries on the iPhone (google calendar <--> outlook <--> iPhone). Ugly, but true.
aj_robins
draketrumpet
Posted 3:45 AM 19/7/08
ONe thing I love about using Outlook to access gmail pop3 is that it saves all my sent messages from outlook in google's sent messages. It keeps everything I write/read accessible when I'm away from my own PC. This also makes searching great. If I ever have any problems searching for something in outlook, I just head over to gmail.com and type it in...presto!! message found.
The only thing I would like to see is contact syncing between the two without all this import export hassle.
draketrumpet
zeusthrax
Posted 3:44 AM 19/7/08
What about macros and programmability. I will have hard time without these two in my mail application. I know I can do lot of things with greasemonkey scripts but I can integrate mail application from my custom apps.
I think Outlook wins on this
zeusthrax
Keith Mundrick
Posted 3:44 AM 19/7/08
The single reason I went from using Gmail POP3/IMAP4 through Outlook 2003 to simply using the Gmail web client was the auto-suggest feature when typing a recipient's name. That saves more time than I could ever explain. Gmail's contact organization is maddening. I am not 100% happy with either, but choose Gmail knowing that Google is more likely to eventually get it right than Microsoft is.
Keith Mundrick
aj_robins
Posted 3:38 AM 19/7/08
Also, as much as I like gmail, gmail's contacts support is pretty awful. In fact, as far as I can tell, you can't import outlook contacts (or even google's own csv-formatted contact files) into google contacts without possibly some data loss/corruption:
[groups.google.com]
aj_robins
bann3d
Posted 3:38 AM 19/7/08
I also like the flexibility of using Outlook as my RSS feed app., got this one on it ;) I use Gmail also, like I stated earlier, but it seemed tedious to set it up. Anyone use Gmail as theirs, and if so how do you like it?
bann3d
informationcenter
Posted 3:35 AM 19/7/08
I actually love Gmail and Outlook. I use my Gmail in my outlook (pop3 with leave message on server). IMAP is slow as hell and the transition from client side folders to server side labels isn't always graceful.
In my opinion folders are far superior to labels. Then again, I am biased as I have grown accumstomed to folders over the past decade and a half. This mayjust be be me ignorantly resisting change. Still, it is for that reason I don't abandon Outlook all together.
Outlook certainly has its advantages: Folders, streamlined spellcheck (compared to gmails clucky interation). Much greater formating options, Outlook contacts are superior, PSTs and the ability to have an HTML signature all make Outlook hard to leave.
I can agree Outlook is overkill if you are just using it for email. However once you start to utilitze the calendar the notes and email it is pretty nice.
informationcenter
aj_robins
Posted 3:32 AM 19/7/08
@Al Iguana: Google Calendar sync only syncs your main google calendar with outlook. That's one (1) calendar. While this is certainly better than nothing, it's not terribly useful if you have multiple calendars (or subscribe to other useful google calendars -- like those of your friends).
If you want to synchronize your outlook calendar with google calendar (for syncing with iPhones, for example), you need to buy a third-party solution.
aj_robins
lethaldose
Posted 3:32 AM 19/7/08
well i guess im a nub cause im content with msn hotmail(never cared for the gmail and outlook acts up on me sometimes).
lethaldose
bann3d
Posted 3:30 AM 19/7/08
@arod:
lol, I worked for NBC at one point and EVERYTHING had to be SOX compliant. Most people didn't abide by it of course, but we got put through a few of those damn policy seminars. It was brutal to say the least. I don't even know if Gmail would be allowed at most companies because of SOX, I don't know enough about it, but I know during an audit they want to be able to backtrack and check everything. I use my mobile, as tedious as it is sometimes, to send any emails to friends now. I don't like the snoopers. lol
bann3d
berribrand
Posted 3:27 AM 19/7/08
I use outlook both at home and at work. I have gmail accounts, but I "POP3" it to outlook for home.
Sorry, but "simpler interface" doesn't always mean better to me anyways. I'm not afraid of digging into outlook's options to get what I want. I like being able to drag an actual email to my USB drive and open it at home. I use attachments a LOT so being able to search within those are a must.
So, this is a nice comparison, but my conclusions would tend towards outlooks for me.
berribrand
arod
Posted 3:24 AM 19/7/08
@bann3d: Ah yes, SOX compliance = the golden sickle. If you have a weekend try to get a manager to explain their SOX compliance policies to you. It's fun to watch them tie themselves in knots trying to do so.
True story, I had a friend get demoted and then fired from his job with the reason both times being SOX compliance.
arod
Norcross
Posted 3:21 AM 19/7/08
I use a hosted Exchange at work (albeit with Outlook 2003), but use Outlook 2007 with Gmail via IMAP at home and on my mobile phone. More than anything else, using an email client, be it Outlook or Thunderbird, having the structure and dedicated space seems to be more organized, at least for me. Web-based mail seems cluttered, even with labels & filters
Norcross
ayeroof
Posted 4:19 AM 19/7/08
In America, we love to have options. My biggest problem with Google gmail, apps, whatever, is that they limit option in order to simplify the application. That's great for the technoboobs out there, but Lifehacker is a site for savvy, productive, people. Give me my options!
ayeroof
Jared Goralnick
Posted 4:16 AM 19/7/08
Poking in for just a couple minutes. A few quick points:
I am NOT inherently biased toward Gmail. I've done Outlook training for years and spend much more time in Outlook every day than Gmail. I had no idea which tool would win until I came up with the criteria. I really do love both products.
I'll admit the criteria talks a lot about simplicity. On this site, there's no question that add-ins, search folders, and various advanced features come into the mix. But the sad fact is that most users never scratch the surface of either product. Many IT decisions are based on what technology people think of a featureset, but I based this more on the end user perspective which is from some experience, albeit not necessarily more than many of the really sharp people here.
Personally I use Add-Ins like Xobni and Anagram, I've written many applications that integrate with Outlook, and I love its advanced featureset. Microsoft CRM, SharePoint, and other options also add a great deal of extensibility to the product (some of which I use). But the sad thing, most business users never do much with SharePoint (don't get me started), they don't use search folders, they don't run more than the most basic of rules, etc. So I wrote this from a "what features are a user likely to discover" perspective, not a "what's out there for power users." If you all can solve the user adoption problem then I'm all ears.
Also, I chose Outlook Exchange vs. Google Apps because it's something I'm asked a lot. (Without calendars I know there's a lot missing, but again, many businesses sadly don't use Free-Busy and full sharing. I wish they did.) Thunderbird isn't really a "platform" for a business. Domino and GroupWise are, but they're not on people's minds. You're right that it may be an apples to oranges comparison, but I was always the guy that wanted to know whether the Vette could take the Miata or even some souped-up pick-up truck from the line. Fact is, people don't always compare apples to apples. Read any business magazine and people will talk about Google encroaching on Microsoft's Office and communications platform. While Fortune 1000 America isn't looking as seriously at Google Apps yet, they will be someday.
Okay, that should lead to plenty of remarks at me...but I just want to throw out what I've experienced and why I chose the criteria the way I did. Specific comments later today...
Thank you so much for all the feedback here.
Jared Goralnick
Jabronimus
Posted 4:03 AM 19/7/08
Vote: Gmail
Jabronimus
Gina Trapani
Posted 3:58 AM 19/7/08
"Given the following statement at the beginning of the post, it's impossible to think that the comparisons are unbiased"
The reason why I opened by pointing out that the LH editors use Gmail exclusively is because Jared does not. That's why he came in as a guest to write this instead of one of us writing it in-house. We don't use Outlook on a regular. He does.
Therefore, it offers the POV of a full-time Outlook AND Gmail user. Pretty good. (Also, as Jared pointed out, these are his opinions.)
Gina Trapani
Colage
Posted 3:55 AM 19/7/08
Bias much?
I think by the time I got to "No clear winner" in contact management, I smelled something. For businesses, the Gmail contacts are simply unacceptable. They work well enough for personal use, though.
But, this is about usefulness to a business, except half the time when Outlook comes out on top, Gmail wins the category for ease of use or user-friendliness. Labels are a nice idea, but not ready for primetime, and setting up Outlook rules isn't so byzantine as to ignore the vastly superior functionality over Gmail's.
What about SarbOx concerns? Does Google guarantee my data? Downtime?
Look, I love Gmail, but the idea that Google Apps is suitable for a company that has more than 5-10 employees is laughable. I'll use it for my personal, but I think it'll have to stop there.
Colage
flyerhawk
Posted 3:53 AM 19/7/08
I really don't this comparison is relevant at all. They target different audiences.
Now if someone were to do a Zimbra vs Exchange comparison, THAT would be awesome since I have various people in my firm who have a religious belief that Zimbra is better, sight unseen, simply because it runs on Linux.
flyerhawk
Chad Cloman
Posted 4:46 AM 19/7/08
I switched to gmail solely for the spam filtering.
Chad Cloman
spidermedic
Posted 4:42 AM 19/7/08
Is anyone the least bit surprised that Lifehacker would "judge" gmail to be the better product? :)
spidermedic
jcdill
Posted 4:42 AM 19/7/08
I don't have "Google Apps for your Domain'". However my regular gmail account still says BETA. I'm quite surprised that neither the article's author nor any of the 70+ previous comments has touched on this.
I'm also quite surprised that gmail is still IN beta, given that it was first released in May 2004 - over 4 years ago! Apparently Google has no pride in their work - they are willing to leave a product languishing "in beta" (and without a proper support team) for 4 years without finishing and releasing it.
If Google really wants businesses to view gmail as a serious competitor for Outlook, they need to launch it as a finished tool and provide business level support - something that has so far been woefully lacking in all of Google's search products. The only Google product that has decent support is Adwords. Use any other Google products with caution because if/when you run into products you may be dismayed at how impossible it is to get anyone at Google to care that problems in their product (bugs, poor documentation) are causing you serious problems.
jcdill
arod
Posted 4:36 AM 19/7/08
@ekasbury: try to do this search in gmail:
in:unread
you're welcome :)
arod
Tactical-Incineration-Development
Posted 4:32 AM 19/7/08
This article is weak, biased, rushed and unprofessional, as exposed by many of the commenters above.
Like many others, I use Outlook for work and Gmail for personal. Gmail is a nice free service but has a TON of issues that should have been resolved by now, and is looking very dated. Outlook 2007, on the other hand, may well be Microsofts finest hour. It is up there with Photoshop in terms of stability, detail and straight-up usability. I could not do business without it.
All of this remember the milk type webcrap gets blasted away by the Outlook Calendar/Tasks. Gmail cannot begin to come close to this. Thunderbird is nothing, a childs toy. And, as mentioned, Xobni seals the deal.
The recent BBC documentary on Bill Gates revealed two things that should have been obvious:
1. He is super smart
2. He knows a lot of MS stuff has been half-assed, but is most proud of Outlook, and rightly so
Don't even try to argue with me.
Tactical-Incineration-Development
abhowell
Posted 4:30 AM 19/7/08
@caedus: I caught my ex cheating that way. He left his gmail account open and obviously thought he had hard deleted all the messages to his bit on the side...
Regarding this post, I run a small business on Google Apps and quite happily use GMail to manage my email and business contacts. The fact that I access the same view all the time is a plus (as opposed to MS Exchange, which gives you a watered down view when you access it remotely). I sync GCals with all of my colleagues and it works rather well.
abhowell
geekblake
Posted 4:25 AM 19/7/08
I don't know if anybody's mentioned this yet (I'm to lazy to read through the 70+ comments to check, so sorry if this is a duplicate), but about the folders vs. labels:
if you install the Better Gmail Firefox extension, you can get "sub-labels" with labels that have the / character in their name (if you want the "a" label with the 1, 2, and 3 sub-labels, create 3 labels called a/1, a/2, and a/3, and the extension will automatically make the interface more like the folder structure you want, with a + sign next to the "a" label to expand and get the 1,2, and 3 sub-labels)
geekblake
natenovs
Posted 4:25 AM 19/7/08
@Jared Goralnick: it is a good article. got people talking! i think the problem with this comparison though, is that you declared a winner. it's pretty clear from the comments that what one person likes about one product, another might not like.
natenovs
pcx339
Posted 5:16 AM 19/7/08
I loved setting up outlook rules to sort my incoming mail, until I hit the rules limit. The limit is something like 12 rules, hard coded. What the heck is that all about? 12?? on a computer ???? Automatic email sorting is the type of task computers exist for! One of those things that make you want to punch any microsoft employee you meet.
pcx339
AndiC
Posted 5:09 AM 19/7/08
I use both, of course gmail with outlook.
However, I hate Outlooks Imap support and especially Outlook Express's. I would like to have Sent, draft as if [gmail] is set as root but also configure so i can have labels as well (which you lose by setting [gmail] as root ), plus use trash and spam through imap. Unfortunately you cant configure individual imap folder paths.
>I switched to gmail solely for the spam filtering.
I actually have one account where i need to turn this off ie a script processes my mail so i need all mails in the inbox. It looks like you cant do this.
AndiC
vicbelt
Posted 5:04 AM 19/7/08
@Tactical-Incineration-Development: "Thunderbird is nothing, a childs toy."
Interesting comment. Wonder why ... have you used it? I find it perfectly capable of kicking Outlook's behind.
vicbelt
Insomnic
Posted 5:02 AM 19/7/08
I liked the article. It presented an opinion but gave a pretty good run down on strengths and weaknesses so the reader can make up their own mind about what features are more important. If you read instead of skim you'll catch more of what was said (noticed a few comments that were addressed in the article if you payed attention).
I think a big issue of the "business vs personal" issue is the delimination of what size the business is before saying one thing is better than another for business. After having worked at large (10k+ employees), medium(1K+), and small (<100) businesses I can see where each tool could work differently for each situation. Whether one is better for business really depends on the business.
Generally though, the larger the business the more useful the features of Outlook/Exchange or other managed server/client situations (like Zimbra/Thunderbird-Outlook-Mail-iCal-Lightning-etc) become for organizing and maintaining information (especially when ISO or SOX compliance is involved).
I don't necessarily agree that this is apples to oranges though because even though one is a web based service and the other a desktop app it's still a user interface or usage comparison to how each can be used.
I liked the article. It was very informative, especially for average users which often get forgotten about on techie centric sites.
Insomnic
strider51
Posted 4:57 AM 19/7/08
I realize not deleting your emails is less of a concern in Gmail than with Outlook (what with nagging net admins and storage quotas.) However, I still feel the occassional need to clear out my Gmail account from time to time.
What really annoys me with Gmail is that you can only delete 100 messages at a time. This is a problem for me since I have 2700 unread messages, most of which probably need deleting.
I see my new messages on my iGoogle homepage, on which we all know there is no delete option. I don't often visit the full blown gmail page.
strider51
Hugheser
Posted 2:59 AM 19/7/08
@arod: I'm sorry but you can't say Gmail is better because of how some companies poorly implement quotas and disaster recovery. Many companies actually know what they are doing and can add and backup storage correctly.
Hugheser
Hugheser
Posted 2:40 AM 19/7/08
This really is a terrible comparison. You're trying to compare Apples and Chevys. If you are going to do this, compare the UI only. And if you do that, you have to compare Gmail with Outlook Web Access. Gmail would likely win that comparison.
Saying Gmail has a better quota because it offers more space than your company is ridiculous. Many these days are offering more because of that specific reason. Some companies even consider their quotas 'unlimited' due to archiving they do. They never purge mail because of compliance issues. Instead they add slow and cheap disk to an archiving SAN. If a company wants to give you a 100GB quota, they give it to you. You don't have that option with Gmail.
When it comes to search, with Exchange 2007, the search happens on the server side and it is incredibly fast. I haven't really done much of a comparison between the two but I can't imagine either of them being any faster than the other. Also if your local PSTs are indexed, they come up quick as well.
I'm a big fan of Lifehacker but this article was just horrible. For the record, I use Outlook 2007 w/ Exchange 2007 at work and personal mail is at either Gmail or my own hosted Linux server.
Hugheser
Hugheser
Posted 2:34 AM 19/7/08
This really is a terrible comparison. You're trying to compare Apples and Chevys. If you are going to do this, compare the UI only. And if you do that, you have to compare Gmail with Outlook Web Access. Gmail would likely win that comparison.
Saying Gmail has a better quota because it offers more space than your company is ridiculous. Many these days are offering more because of that specific reason. Some companies even consider their quotas 'unlimited' due to archiving they do. They never purge mail because of compliance issues. Instead they add slow and cheap disk to an archiving SAN. If a company wants to give you a 100GB quota, they give it to you. You don't have that option with Gmail.
When it comes to search, with Exchange 2007, the search happens on the server side and it is incredibly fast. I haven't really done much of a comparison between the two but I can't imagine either of them being any faster than the other. They both happen very quickly. Also if your local PSTs are indexed, they come up quick as well.
I'm a big fan of Lifehacker but this article was just horrible. For the record, I use Outlook 2007 w/ Exchange 2007 at work and personal mail is at either Gmail or my own hosted Linux server.
Hugheser
mjm01010101
Posted 2:33 AM 19/7/08
Not sure if my previous comment showed up. I have several points now:
1. I have found that google mail has gotten slower over the years. Login will fail 1/10 times, and search of the mailbox can sometimes take 20 seconds or more. I've been able to reproduce this on IE7 and FF 2/3.
2. The ability to organize items based on tree-view is still superior to me than tags, or searching. Sometimes I want to find a group of e-mails that have a theme, but not nessesarily one that I know of. Being able to look through groups of items as I organize it has worked better for me. Google mail search tends to return too many results when really I am looking for something I know is in either folder "a" or folder "b."
3. My previous post mentioned this, but contacts in coogle mail sucks. I want to be able to see a list of my contacts after I have started to write a message. There doesn't appear to be a way to do this without saving and looking at my contacts.
4. Google calendar and documents has always felt clunky and too great a compromise for my tastes, when compared to Outlook/word/open Office. Some things should not be in a web browser and document editing is one of them, at least for now.
mjm01010101
mjm01010101
Posted 2:24 AM 19/7/08
Contacts on gmail are pretty bad.
When you start to address a message, there is no way to view your contacts in a list while composing the message. This is a pretty big deal killer for me and I find myself coming back to other mail clients for when I need to send significant mail.
mjm01010101
elgreg
Posted 2:23 AM 19/7/08
I'm an avid user of both and think they're both pretty decent. Gmail's key commands are super handy and its support of calendar events combined with Outlook Sync make it easy to reply to invites in both environments.
The one huge downfall I see in Gmail is the Contacts and I disagree that they should be evenly matched here. If the same person emails me from their work address and then their personal address, Gmail automatically adds two different links for them to my contacts list. Then, if I try to sync that contacts list with another address book and then to my blackberry, I have two different entries for them in my address book - making it a huge pain in the a*$ when I run into them and try to get their number and have to pick an entry to put it in. Gmail's Contacts doesn't provide a way to merge people either and, even worse, won't let two contacts have the same email address. This means that to merge two contacts, you have to copy the email address of one into your clipboard, delete the entry and then paste it into the other (don't accidentally copy anything else!).
elgreg
Tallanvor
Posted 5:43 AM 19/7/08
I have to agree with what seems to be most of the commenters. Gmail is great for personal mail. --It's free, gives you plenty of space, and at least it just does the text adds on the side - it doesn't insert them in emails you send or receive like some of their competitors. One of the biggest downsides for me are the labels. Don't get me wrong, they can be useful, but when you have 50 labels, it's harder to organize them properly, and you can't expand and collapse them like you can with a folder structure.
For businesses over, say, 50 people, Google Apps just can't compete against Outlook/Exchange. Exchange gives you proper centralized account management, easy integration with AD, calendar management, and the fact that with Exchange a company has physical control over security. Google can't match any of these - at least not natively.
Besides, keeping personal emails with Google and business emails with Outlook makes it easier to keep work and my personal life separate.
Tallanvor
brownie
Posted 5:35 AM 19/7/08
This comparison reminds me of the "Man of the Millenium" skit on SNL. Darryl Dawkins won over Shakespeare and Einstein in a contest based on their accomplishments in literature, science and basketball.
brownie
ChambrasWeed
Posted 6:08 AM 19/7/08
Really good comparison! Right now i am using thunderbird for work i like it even though it does have all the futures that MS outlook with Ms exchange has. I also use Gmail for my personal email and it is awesome. I know it has a lot of little problems, but it is coming better and better :) So i think i will keep my thunderbird even though my company has an exchange server.
ChambrasWeed
Tactical-Incineration-Development
Posted 5:57 AM 19/7/08
@vicbelt: Yes, I have used Thunderbird during a phase where I thought I would try and go fully open-source for all apps. After three days I ran screaming back to Outlook 2007 and have never looked back. Thunderbird may be a viable replacement for Outlook EXPRESS, but never in a million years can it get close to Outlook. Outlook is a monster PIM and there is nothing to come remotely close.
Tactical-Incineration-Development
bradpdx
Posted 6:27 AM 19/7/08
I must say that in all (and I mean ALL) of the businesses I have worked with, Outlook is used only because "that is what you use for business". Little, if any, thought was given to the choice and few, if any, advanced features were ever used. They might as well have used any arbitrary system for all the good it did, and indeed most would have been better off with an externally managed system like Gmail.
Outlook/Exchange's value is largely self-referential; if you use a Microsoft shop environment, then the "lock in" that Microsoft wants provides a clear sense of value and actually works to a reasonable degree. Once you remove Outlook from that environment, it is simply a clumsy PIM that really isn't any better than any number of alternatives IMHO. I have used it for years and am perfectly content being without it now - and I get much more done and tracked.
bradpdx
Colage
Posted 7:07 AM 19/7/08
Gah, managed to slip and submit =\
@Jared Goralnick: I'm not necessarily trying to say that you started out trying to do a takedown on Exchange, but some of the comparisons are just kind of ass backwards:
- Storage Space - Google gives you ~7ish GB for free, 25 for a nominal fee. Exchange servers "usually have" 100MB - 2GB though that's highly dependent on a number of factors. Then again, if you want more than 25GB with Gmail you're SOL, whereas it's an easy fix for Exchange given the relative inexpensive data costs.
- Labels: I have no idea why labels are either comparable or superior to folders. Outlook uses categories in roughly the same manner, and saved searches ("smart folders" or whatever you want to call them) operate in pretty much the same manner as Gmail, in addition to the folders that you can further organize things, but ease of use apparently trumps that.
- Inconsistencies: You say that business users are going to get more mileage from Outlook's contacts than Gmail's. Was I mistaken in assuming this was all about business? I can't imagine many people use Google Apps or Exchange for their personal email exclusively, so it kind of presupposes that this is in a business environment. Same goes with the comparisons for "standalone Outlook" for the rules.
- Other business matters that aren't mentioned, specifically Sarbanes-Oxley. Exchange policies are easily tinkered with. How does Gmail stack up (I really don't know)? No mention of Google Apps' calendar/scheduling?
Anyway. My point is that the article seemed to start out with Gmail assumed to be better until definitively proven otherwise.
Colage
Colage
Posted 6:54 AM 19/7/08
@Jared Goralnick: I'm not necessarily trying to say that you started out trying to do a takedown on Exchange, but some of the comparisons are just kind of ass backwards:
- Storage Space - Google gives you ~7ish GB for free, 25 for a nominal fee. Exchange servers "usually have" 100MB - 2GB though that's highly dependent on a number of factors. Then again, if you want more than 25GB with
Colage
FelixC
Posted 6:49 AM 19/7/08
GMail hits Outlook with a left hook as... wait, who is that?
Oh my God, ladies and gentlemen, MUTT has entered the ring! Emerging out of a long hiatus out of the public eye, he's now yelling at our two official competitors to "get off his lawn?"
Oh! No! Unbelievable! Mutt has just SHOT Outlook and GMail! They're... dead! I think we have a clear winner.
FelixC
AndiC
Posted 7:36 AM 19/7/08
Should add Data Protection Act and Auditing etc (depending on company) just makes using open source and free services too difficult sometimes.
I also look after a non profit club in my spare time, we actually use Google Apps. We find it great because we can work together from our homes, as well as a shared office pc on site.
I agree you cant really compare the two this way.
AndiC
AndiC
Posted 7:27 AM 19/7/08
@Colage:
>Exchange servers "usually have" 100MB - 2GB though
Yeah just have to be nice to you admin.. staff are you reading ;-)
AndiC
DangerousLiberal
Posted 8:21 AM 19/7/08
@cannonlover: Another vote for calendar integration. Gmail is so smart about some things, I wish it could guess at meeting information and pop it into Google Calendar. This would also make it more useful for syncing with my Treo
DangerousLiberal
neal whitehouse piper | whiper
Posted 8:12 AM 19/7/08
What about security?
Gmail is open to attack especially in the work environment where the web based login could be a problem.
neal whitehouse piper | whiper
pobox90210
Posted 8:11 AM 19/7/08
I preferred Gmail (and GCal) until Outlook 2007 came along. With what I personally can do using outlook calendar with Sharepoint calendar integration, tasks (a must for me) and the way I can join it with OneNote (THE killer app IMO) makes 2007 win hands down.
As for Exchange server, we're implemention that later this year. So how much betterer can it get!!! :-D
I can see Google coming up with something though. I hope so. I like a good fight. :-D
pobox90210
Kandy477
Posted 8:35 AM 19/7/08
This is truly the lamest "faceoff" I've seen on Lifehacker thus far. I'm not going to bother pointing out all the reasons that these two aren't even comparable, since so many others have already done so. I think this article would have been much better as a "How-to" type of article - how an Outlook user could make the switch to Gmail without loosing so much of Outlook's built-in functionality. The way it is written now gives such a lopsided view of Outlook that the author looses all credibility.
Kandy477
MikeTheActuary
Posted 11:40 AM 19/7/08
For whatever it's worth, I'm partial to my personal setup of Outlook (no Exchange) accessing GMail via IMAP.
While GMail's implementation of IMAP does take some getting used to...well, with my set up I get the best of both worlds.
Gmail's great in its simplicity of features, but Outlook's integration with calendar, tasks, and OneNote *plus* the power of VBA *plus* the fact that you can reliably use it offline (for those of us who don't always like irradiating ourselves with iPhones).
If/when Google releases a task tool, robust enough for GTD goodness, and easily integratable with Google Calendar and GMail...then I'll start to reconsider my love of Outlook.
Until that time, GMail might have its advantages over Outlook for pure email purposes, but Outlook is still far superior for communication+organization needs.
MikeTheActuary
burnblue
Posted 12:09 PM 19/7/08
I don't like this. I use Gmail primarily, though I've used Outlook personally and for work.
1) Searching within attachments is a big deal, you can't gloss over that for a couple extra seconds in Gmail (and Gmail doesn't seem that fast to me)
2) I don't use Outlook contacts for business, I use them personally.. and it's indispensable. I could never try to manage my contacts in Gmail the same way.
3) So many things are said to be common to both tools, and yet Gmail still wins. For example, categories/saved folders vs labels
4) Being able to sort your email is a big deal. Don't gloss over these things
5) Gmail filters are easy to use, yes, but not that flexible
********************major point***********
6) It is noble, yet a mistake, for a power user to write an article on a website for power users and attempt to present conclusions based on what s/he thinks most users will never discover. You can't see it from a noob's viewpoint unless you're a noob, so give people the benefit of the doubt. It is for this reason some don't respect this article. (Reminds me of people hyping simplicity in some Apple products and all I see is a lack of features)
Appreciate the effort though
burnblue
brundlefly76
Posted 12:37 PM 19/7/08
Yeah its interesting when there are one of these shootouts and stuff like 'offline usage' and 'PIM integration' aren't even used as criteria.
If you only use criteria in which Google wins then youve already decided who one.
brundlefly76
Fishy80
Posted 1:53 PM 19/7/08
I don't see how you can say that outlook wins for mobility.... you can log into your gmail account with all your e-mail right there from anywhere, just about every newer phone has a gmail app, or access to the internet where you can access gmail... thats about as mobile as anything else right? you won't find outlook on anything but pda phones...
Fishy80
Xibalba
Posted 3:18 PM 19/7/08
as mentioned several times - this is a difficult comparison since the two programs' design and intent are for very different markets. that being said, i could not thrive without gmail and the num