The Web-Based vs. Desktop-Based Newsreader Showdown
Posted by Adam Pash at 4:00 AM on January 18, 2008

Newsgator's recent announcement that their popular line of cross-platform newsreaders were now free had many of you asking why you would ever give up the web-based bliss of Google Reader for desktop-based readers; still others were wondering why anyone wouldn't ride the desktop wave now that these best-in-class readers have hit the free market. Today we're comparing the most popular web-based newsreader, Google Reader, with the freeware, desktop-based readers from Newsgator. If you think you're running the perfect reader for your needs, take another look—you might be surprised at what you're missing.
Off the bat, it's worth noting that all of the newsreaders I'm going to compare are excellent at what they do. But by virtue of what they are (web-based vs. desktop-based), they do some things differently. The real purpose here isn't to claim that one is ultimately better than the other, but to understand what those differences are to help decide which will work best for your needs.
There are tonnes of newsreaders on the market, both web-based and desktop-based, but for the purpose of this comparison I'm going to focus on the (arguably) most popular in each class. For web-based RSS, the obvious leader of the pack is Google Reader. For desktop-based RSS, I'm focusing on the newly freeware FeedDemon (Windows) and NetNewsWire (Mac), both made by Newsgator.
Rather than pointing out everything that's great about each, I'm going to try to stick to highlighting differing features between the two options differ to avoid overlap. So let's get started.
Desktop-Based Contendors: FeedDemon and NetNewsWire
- Speed: One of the first and most obvious pros for desktop readers is that they download the content to your desktop in one fell swoop, meaning that when you're browsing your items, you get desktop-quality performance. It's not that Google Reader isn't fast, but its desktop counterparts are faster.
Smart Search: If you subscribe to a lot of feeds, you'll inevitably end up with a lot of noise in your reader, when sometimes all you want is to keep an eye on several sources for a particular topic. Both FeedDemon and NetNewsWire allow you to create advanced smart searches (sort of like iTunes smart playlists) that scour your feeds for matches and pull those matches into one easy to access smart feed. For example, I can use this feature to create a feed that returns all articles on Lifehacker written by me, or keep a close eye on all iPhone-related developments across all of my feeds.
Manual Feed Refresh: With a desktop-based reader comes the ability to refresh your feeds whenever you want to, ensuring you're looking at the latest news available. I've found it much easier keeping up with content knowing that what I'm looking at is up-to-date. Google Reader does offer a Refresh button, and though they've drastically improved their indexing time, it's still not as real-time as a desktop reader. (As I write this, for example, Google Reader is one post behind NetNewsWire on the Lifehacker feed.)- Quick search: As fast as the internet is (and Google especially) at searching content and providing quick results, you're still going to be hard-pressed to search and retrieve content from your subscriptions using a web-based reader as quickly as you can from your desktop. NetNewsWire was quicker to return results in my tests every time—but there is a catch (see Google-Powered Search below).
Cross-Platform Sync: One major reason I chose the Newsgator readers over other desktop-based readers is that they offer a lot in terms of synchronisation. If you grab a free account on Newsgator's web site, you can sync FeedDemon with NetNewsWire, NetNewsWire with NewsGator Go (for Windows Mobile, BlackBerrys, and phones supporting Java), and all of them with Newsgator's web interface. The web portal doesn't hold a candle to Google Reader, but since a very common criticism of desktop readers is that they don't handle multiple locations well, the many synchronised points of access for the Newsgator products are worth pointing out.- Separate Buckets: I love reading my feeds in a separate place from the rest of my internet work. It's very possible that this has more to do with the nature of my work, but since so much of what I do happens in the browser, keeping feeds in another application altogether can be very useful. Either way, you can tell these desktop apps whether you want them to open links in your default browser or inside the reader app, so you can customise it to fit your preferences.
Customisation: Overall, customisation is one of the biggest pros of the desktop reader. If there's something you don't like about its behaviour, there's a good chance you can tweak it within the program's preferences. Most web-based readers (GReader included) don't offer nearly as many options for customising the layout (preferences, look and feel, etc.)- Offline Reading: Yes, Google Reader supports Google Gears for offline reading, but it's currently very limited compared to the offline archiving abilities of a desktop reader.
Integration with Desktop Apps: Desktop-based readers can determine how they interact with other desktop-based applications, meaning you can determine where links open, how to post an item to your blog, how to bookmark an item in Del.icio.us, and where to import new podcasts or other enclosures (e.g., a playlist in your iTunes library).- Sort Feeds by Attention: One particularly useful feature in NetNewsWire (it doesn't seem to be available in FeedDemon) is the ability to sort feeds based on the attention you give to their items, meaning that after using them over time the sites you read the most crop to the top of the list so the cream of your subscriptions naturally rises to the top. Not only is it useful for auditing your feeds, but it also presents you with the news first that you're most likely going to want to read first.
The Web-Based Contender: Google Reader
- Access from Any Web Browser: One major advantage of web-based readers is that by definition they can be accessed from any computer with a modern web browser and an internet connection. There's nothing to install (unless, of course, you want to use Reader offline with Google Gears), and your feeds will always be synced because web-based readers don't care a bit about where you're accessing them from—it's all the same account to Google Reader.
Integration with Other Google Products: If you're a fan of other Google products, Google Reader offers integration with Google services like Gmail (for quick emailing of items) to Google Talk (for the shared items feature). It also embeds YouTube videos and streams podcasts with Google's default audio streamer.
Incredible Keyboard Shortcuts: If there's one thing Google's been doing well lately, it's building products with a robust system of keyboard shortcuts, and no where is that better exemplified than with Google Reader. You can do virtually everything in Reader without leaving the keyboard, and frankly, that's a beautiful thing. One of my biggest complaints about NetNewsWire is that its shortcuts pale in comparison to Reader's. Windows users may be happy to know that FeedDemon has much more GReader-like shortcuts.
Shared Items: If you like an added social element to your reader, Google's recently added Shared Items feature provides an excellent way to share your favourite items with your Google Talk friends. This feature came with a little controversy, but if it's your cup of tea it's simple and useful.
Show Only Updated Items: When you're following a lot of feeds drowning out the noise is crucial, and Google Reader's Updated view, which displays only feeds with unread items, is an excellent way to drown out the noise of feeds that aren't offering anything new. This feature is available in FeedDemon but not NetNewsWire.
Google-Powered Search: While Google Reader's search isn't as fast as the desktop offerings, it is spry and very accurate. It's also in the fortunate position of having indexed absolutely everything you've subscribed to, probably before you even subscribed to it, meaning that searches will be able to go back much deeper. Indexing all of that content for your desktop reader would be impractical if not impossible. Which brings us to the final point.- No Storage Required: This rests very much on the line of the "no installation required" feature, but the fact is that if you want to archive a lot of your subscription content on your desktop, you'd better have some space to store it all. With Google Reader, all that information rests in Google's omniscient cloud.
Which Do You Prefer?
We've polled you on this question once before, but given the Newsgator announcement I'm curious once again:Finally, I'll admit to being most familiar with NetNewsWire and Google Reader, but if I've left any killer feature out on any front, let's hear about it—along with your reasons for going with web-based or desktop-based readers— in the comments.
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Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Markus
Posted January 18, 2008 11:04 PM
For me, Vienna has always been the best RSS reader.
Much easier on the eye than Google Reader, and you can organise it like iTunes. It even has smart folders.
Abir
Posted May 14, 2008 6:23 PM
Personally, I use Klipfolio as my desktop newsreader.
Duane
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
The offline thing is a dealbreaker for me. If I'm online, then I probably have better things to be doing than reading news all day. But if I'm not online (during my daily train ride in to work), then what better time to catch up? Imagine it like downloading video, versus streaming it. In one case you get it, take it with you, and watch where you want. In the other, you have to be at a certain place and a certain time. Which would you prefer? Last time I checked, ipod sales were doing just fine. Online solutions mean less flexibility.
Duane
[www.commutesmarter.com]
Duane
nocturne1
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
Gotta stick with Google Reader. Allows me to keep up with my feeds on my mac, PC, and most importantly, my iPhone.
nocturne1
kostik_y2k
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
For me, it's desktop-based Mindity (with many social-networking features): [www.mindity.com]
kostik_y2k
acurrie
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
I use Bloglines to keep my feeds synced between multiple computers, and for its mobile interface.
acurrie
justjack75
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
@karstetter: Agreed... you've got the manual refresh option which I couldn't live without on those particularly dead days at the office.
justjack75
SeanOHara
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
I don't see the point of using an email program or a separate application for RSS feeds (Peeve: a newsreader is a program for Usenet newsgroups, and has been since the 1980s). It makes much more sense for RSS to be integrated into the browser.
I used to use the Firefox Sage extension, which put feeds in the sidebar, but now I use RSS Ticker, which, as the name implies, creates a ticker across the top of the window. I just look up every few minutes to see if there's anything interesting, and click on it if there is.
SeanOHara
brutimus
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
I've gotta go with my desktop solution for the speed. After a day of feeds coming in, I'll oftentimes have 3-400 items that I like to scroll through very quickly picking out only what I like. I attempted Google Reader and it just wasn't near fast enough to get through these.
brutimus
karstetter
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
Netvibes all the way!
karstetter
LordThanatos
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
I second KMT. The convenience of having work mail, Feeds (and Gmail too, through IMAP) in one application is unbeatable for me. With Gmail UI installed, you get the easy search advantages of Google Reader, and quite a few of the other advantages are already available in it.
LordThanatos
Victor V.
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
Speed is what keeps me from web-based. I can't stand having to wait the browser load everytime.
Victor V.
KMT
Posted 5:32 AM 18/1/08
Hmm. I've only tried (and do like) Thunderbird. It seems sufficient for my needs, though it appears the others mentioned above have a few more features. Unless, of course, these features are there in TB and I just haven't discovered them yet...
KMT
funkright
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
Funny, just after I type my initial comment above I decided to look through preferences again in NNW and low-and-behold I was able to turn of the 'switch to new window/tab' feature.. So I guess I will give it another try again.. It's web cousin works great as well..
funkright
funkright
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
No matter what I do or software I try, I keep coming back to bloglines.
I like to go through the feeds and open up the linked articles in seperate tabs (but not switch to them until I am done reading the feeds themselves) via the Apple key * mouse click (this opens up in a seperate tab, but does not switch to it yet).
Once I have gone through the update RSS feeds I then view the tabs, from initially opened tab until the last one I chose to launch from the RSS feed. No other newsreader (desktop software does this for me).
I would love to use the now free NNW (but if I click to open a link it puts me in the new window, and I don't want to go there yet), but my way of using RSS has gotten addictive for me now..
funkright
greasypigstudios
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I prefer google reader since many blogs I subscribe to only show part of the article, or sites like Giz and Lifehacker that oftentimes feature other sites to check out. It's too much of a burden to wait for firefox to turn on whenever I want to check out a link. I also love being able to check it on any computer (like the one at work), and being able to put it up on my igoogle page. I don't use a laptop so offline reading isn't that interesting to me.
Btw, thanks to Lifehacker, I've been inspired to start a new blog that chronicles the specific Windows tweaks I've implemented into my system (a lot of them because of Autohotkey!), and seeing which new apps I've tried and decided to ditch!
[greasypc.blogspot.com]
greasypigstudios
cameron_penn
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
Google Reader, but I have nothing pithy to say about it.
cameron_penn
snowmentality
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I love having Apple Mail deal with my feeds. I waste less time because I don't get drawn into reading comment threads and commenting myself (yeah, okay, so I'm breaking that rule here). Just opening up the browser is enough to get me into that endless loop of reloading to check for new content, whereas I trust Mail to pick up new feed items just as it picks up new emails. Then I can just scan new items, the same way as I scan new emails.
It's all psychological, really. The way Mail deals with it works for me, because I don't automatically see new items unless I click on the feed. (I see at a glance that there are new items, but not what they are.) That way I don't get instantly distracted - which is what would happen when I used Google Reader. But when I want to take a work break and check my blogs, it's easy for me to very quickly scan through all the new posts.
The other way I prevent myself from wasting time with feeds: set the default browser to Firefox, install LeechBlock, and take Safari out of the dock. That way if I try to click through from the feed item to the actual website, I get denied. Having to go into Applications, fire up Safari, and bring up the item in question (even by c/ping the link), is just enough extra trouble to make me say "Forget it" and go back to work. If it was truly that important and interesting that I need to revisit it, I put it in my iGTD list and go back to it later. Yes, internet-induced expectations of instant gratification can be used for good!
snowmentality
Dustin L.
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I go with online: Google Reader. I can't stand to miss stuff. If I subscribe to a feed, I want to see every little thing that comes through. A desktop feed reader would need to be running 24/7 on my local computer to catch it all. That and the fact that I can read my stuff from any computer (home, work, in-laws, internet cafe...) make a web-based reader a must for me.
Dustin L.
neuralien
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
@karstetter: I second Netvibes. I've been using it for a little over a year now and it's great. Does what it's supposed to do with little extra fluff.
neuralien
rorywohl
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
FeedDemon and NewsGator Online is the best of both worlds. I get all the features of a desktop reader (FeedDemon) when I'm at my usual PC, but can access the same feeds from anywhere with NewsGator Online. The NewsGator folks have thoughtfully built in synchronization so if I mark something read in one reader, it updates the other.
rorywohl
TommySez
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I just want newsfeeds grouped together by general topic, with the headlines for a particular topic intermingled by date. NewsFire was the first one I found that did that, so that's what I use.
TommySez
Remixer96
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I've been going back and forth on this one myself. Vienna for a while, then NetNewsWire once it turned free, and now I'm back to Google Reader. I'll take the Reader myself, because I'm rarely without connectivity and I subscribe to a number of music podcasts, so the inline streaming is a big convenience for me.
Remixer96
jaredharley
Posted 6:32 AM 18/1/08
I tried out FeedDemon, and I could not STAND the layout. It made me feel like I was reading work emails instead of feeds. I tried all the different theme styles, but none of them worked for me. The only one I liked refused to let me sort by date, so the most recent item was on top.
Right now I use Google Reader in List View, so all of the new articles are in a list. I can see the Feed name, Title, and the first part of the post. If I have more than a few different feeds to read, I go by subscription. For example, I click "Lifehacker", and then I skim down the 20 items in the list. If the title and description catch my interest, it gets read; if not, I move on to the next. When I get to the bottom, I click "Mark All As Read" and then I move on to the next subscription. FeedDemon couldn't provide me the same experience.
jaredharley
urban bohemian
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
One big question for me is which newsreaders, desktop or web allow for authorized feeds. People using sites like LJ and similar and SOL when it comes to using most online readers because they don't have an option to authenticate for specific feeds.
urban bohemian
rkcrawf
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Love Google Reader. I've tried Outlook, Vienna, NetNewsWire, Newsgator, and a few others. Nothing comes close. For me the killer feature is having items being marked "as read" as I scroll. Saves me so much time and is the closest to how I would actually scan a newspaper.
rkcrawf
devan
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
There's a third option, too: Site-specific browsers. Using SSBs like Mozilla's cross-platform Prism, you can have the interface multi-machine convenience of the webapps with the OS integration of the desktop apps.
For my part, I'm on a Mac, so I use Fluid, which looks a little more Mac-like (requires Leopard). I use it mostly for Google Reader, so that I can keep my personal reading separate from the webthings I have to do for work, for which I need a fully capable browser.
Obviously, the developers of both programs explain better the advantages of SSBs and how they function within an OS. And of course, LH has had a writeup of each.
devan
jeffk
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I keep Sage synced among my computers simply by syncing my bookmarks with Google Browser sync, and pointing Sage to the bookmark folder I named RSS
jeffk
Joe.Andersen
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I work from too many computers to use desktop apps easily
I hate the slowness of most web uis, but i've not got a good work around yet.
Joe
Joe.Andersen
e-tat
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Omea. Offline, reasonably fast, with bells and whistles that go well beyond FeedDemon, RSSOwl, Newzie, GreatNews, and any other app I've tried. It does have some dumb oversights and some notable shortcomings, but overall it's better than the rest.
The most important features for me are speed, semi-scripted routines, desktop integration, tagging, annotation and display configurability per feed. Half of those features aren't available on any other reader I've seen.
e-tat
SilverStar95
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Oh, and another useful feature of google reader. See an article you want to view properly, maybe to see comments on or additional information? With Firefox, just hit the v button and it'll open it up in a new tab in the background. Just keep browsing through the articles and when you're ready go back and take a real look at the ones that stood out for you.
SilverStar95
mcnee
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I was using Sage with Firefox, but trying to keep stuff sync'd tween work and home and my Centro sucked. I have been using the beta of Bloglines and really like it. I can view the RSS feed, or open the actual item in a Preview mode - like I am now - so I am able to leave a comment while my blog list is still available on the sidebar when I'm done.
I've barely tried any other readers, on or off-line, so not sure how it compares, but it definitely does what I am looking for. As a bonus, the mobile option works well for access from my Centro. I can even choose which items I want to appear or not appear on the mobile side with a check-box option.
mcnee
SilverStar95
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I tried sage, but after some issues with it and wikinews(same news article up 80 times, every time there was even a minor edit to the story), I needed something else.
I tried the RSS option in thunderbird, but I already have 5 mail accounts in there and a half dozen usenet groups, so it gets pretty bloody cluttered.
The search and bookmark functions in Google Reader are what do it for me. I've literally used them both no less than a dozen times each. I browse through, see something interesting, then a few days later something comes up in a conversation about something I passed by and I can quickly pull it up.
But, one of the real advantages for me, is if I don't look at the feeds for a couple days, there's no worries. Sure, I might have 2000+ articles to scan through, but with gReader I don't have to worry too much about it. It's there, because it's indexed automatically. Sage is limited to 20 articles per feed, and other feed services tend to only cache 20-50 articles on any given syndication. There's been times when I've had 300+ Gizmodo articles pop up over a day and a half(CES... yeesh!), most of which I'd have lost if they weren't autocached by google.
And another little bonus is that, while I have really poor vision(don't have the cash needed to get an updated prescription for my glasses. Blasted things are over $300/lens), it's no problem for me to sit back in my chair at my computer, increase the text size, and read the articles without having to squint. And when done, just Alt+0 to return to default text size for when I need to really pay attention.
Comfort, ease of use, and the nuances are what made me fall in love with gReader. Only better way is if they offered it as a standalone desktop app, that could sync up with the web version.
SilverStar95
silvanov
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I actually just downloaded feedreader 3.11 for windows today. Spent about an hour visiting my favorite sites to see if they had rss feeds. Im new to rss, so im not sure what the advantage of getting feeds vs just visiting the site is yet. Any RSS guides you guys recommend to help me get caught up? Thanks.
silvanov
gyffes
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I've long used my.yahoo! as my RSS aggregator of choice. What I like is that I can COMMAND-CLICK (apple key) a link or series of links and they load in the background while I continue scrolling down the (LONG) list of sites I follow. Speed of load is not an issue -- I get to them when I get to them.
Since I'm rarely at my machine when NOT near a wifi spot, having them on my dekstop seems less of an issue. And, if I know I'm going to be away from wifi for awhile, I use the above-mentioned system to preload a myriad of tabs which I can read later.
I guess I'll take a look at the desktop system -- esp as it's now free -- but it'll require a huge change in how I currently browse.. not sure my ancient brain can handle that...
gyffes
LethAL
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I don't subscribe to many blogs, and google reader does the job fine for me. I'll usually open it up before I drink a coffee, and sift through everything (if there's a lot of items), or just read it from the iG homepage if there isn't much. Oh, and Jasper's Google Reader subscribe is my preferred way of adding feeds.
LethAL
akatsuki
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I am die-hard for Google Reader, except that it doesn't have an offline mobile client for my blackberry, so now I am debating, do I clutter up my life with another app?
akatsuki
jeffk
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I use Sage for Firefox.
It's fast and it puts a lot of info up on screen.
In comparison everything else I've tried feels like I'm using a 14-inch 800x600 CRT monitor.
For example, I can see 21 Lifehacker headlines and 8 articles with opening paragraphs. Plus a dozen or so other sites are one click away.
jeffk
Adam B.
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
The best reason to use a web reader like Google Reader is that it's updated across multiple computers. When you use 2 computers at work, and two at home, and read feeds on all of them. You want to be sure that you're not reading the same item twice. That reason alone is why I use Google Reader.
Adam B.
DepressedMan
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I prefer Google Reader, because I use three devices, my desktop, my laptop, and my n800 internet tablet. If I were to use a desktop-based reader that would mean I have to download all feeds to either my laptop or n800 all the time. But with Google Reader I can access them with whatever one I'm using (and Gears offers some offline functionality).
DepressedMan
TunaFish
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I am a very low-key RSS-subscriber, so I've only subscribed to 15 specific feeds. Obviously they'd only need checked once a day, and so I've Speed Dialed it, and use Google Reader soon after I finish my email breakfast every morning.
TunaFish
bwv1060b
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I recently ditched Bloglines for NewsGator (work) and NetNewsWire (home). The web portal for NewsGator is definitely a let down coming from Bloglines, but the ability to sync between work, web and home is what brought me over. Google Reader is tempting, especially their mobile interface, but I find a desktop solution allows me to sift through and read/dismiss articles more quickly. To each his own...
bwv1060b
marques
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Windows Live Mail.
marques
LordHumungus
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Where is the "Both" option in the survey, or am I just an oddity?
LordHumungus
mustansir
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I will stick to desktop-based readers. For one, I could read my feed anywhere I carry my laptop with me, such as while traveling, etc. Second, althought Google Gears enables to view offline content; it has a few problems caching embedded media such as images which point to an external url. So with Google Gears enabled, my feeds still don't look the same in GReaded (disconnected) as they do in GReader (connected).
mustansir
LordHumungus
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!
I was an avid Google Reader user, but decided to give NewsGator's offerings a try when they went free. At home I'm sporting the FeedDemon (and all of its quirks), at work it's the NewsGator web interface (unapproved software installations are frowned upon), and when I'm on the go (or taking a poop) it's NewsGator Go! on my BlackBerry. The synchronization between the different apps was what sold me.
Now if Google came out with a Google Reader application for mobile devices, I would definitely switch back. The Gmail mobile app is the shizzle. As it is though, Google Reader through a mobile browser just doesn't cut it for me.
LordHumungus
nwilliam3
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
The other big advantage to desktop readers is the ability to access secure content and content that sits behind corporate firewalls. I love my Google Reader for all my personal feeds. But I use FeedDemon for my business feeds at work.
nwilliam3
s_bog
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I am in the same boat as ACURRIE, I use Bloglines for my RSS feeds and have been for over 3 years. I have always thought the Bloglines was a better solution than Google's, which I tried to use on two different occasions and never liked.
The ability to get to my RSS feeds from any Internet-connected computer or mobile device is unsurpassed.
s_bog
nakedcode
Posted 7:32 AM 18/1/08
I use Newsgator's offerings. At home I use feed demon. At work I use NewsGator Inbox with outlook 2003 and on my Archos 605 media player I use the NewsGator online site. All of which is synchronized online.
Interestingly the reason I switched was Google reader would not display well on the Archos 605's opera browser and I needz me feedz.
nakedcode
alekdavis
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
I have been using Bloglines for a few months now, and it gives me everything I need. I like the interface and the functionality. Because it's Web-based, I do not need to care about synchronization. I have about 50 subscriptions and the speed has never been an issue for me (as long as Bloglines is not down, which happened only 1-2 times). Highly recommend to everybody.
alekdavis
Confuzius
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
Google Reader
I have 2 accounts one SFW and one slightly more NSFW
I just wish there were an easy way to sync between the 2 accounts.
Confuzius
djr1904
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
I was one of the people who raised the issue of web vs. desktop RSS readers when Adam posted about FeedDemon last week. I'm a longtime Bloglines user, and I'm about 99% convinced that web is the way to go for me simply because it's one less program on my computer, which means one less thing for me to manage. Plus, if it ain't broke, why try to fix it?
So with that in mind, I've considered switching to Google Reader and have been messing around with it lately. And I really don't see what the big deal is. I think it looks cluttered and almost cartoon-ey, and it drives me positively CRAZY that my feeds only appear by oldest, newest, or that bizarre "autosort" rather than appearing first sorted by the subscription source.
I also think Bloglines' beta will be a big improvement over an already solid product once it is fully functional. For now, I'm staying with it...but maybe after a few months and another round of improvements for both products, that will change.
djr1904
mentalground0
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
Shrook for macs. it's a nice lite reader and it works lovely with growl
mentalground0
dangerp
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
I chose desktop readers for an entirely different reason. I do much of my reading on my blackberry while on various trains (I spend > 4 hours/day on a train), and I constantly go in/out of service, as well as in subways without service. I need a solution that saves the feeds locally on my blackberry so I can entertain myself while sitting in a lonely subway station. Something that I can't get with a browser based solution (yes, even the google "app" for the BB just points to the browser).
dangerp
Mike
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
One correction to your story. If you are using the "sync across platforms" functionality of Newsgator, you are subject to how often Newsgator refreshes its feeds; you are thus not receiving the "sync what you want and get what's fresh then" benefit.
Mike
Dmitrikaramazov
Posted 8:32 AM 18/1/08
I am a Google Reader nut, but on Adam's recommendation I gave FeedDemon a try. I was definitely conflicted. I liked the interface and the panic button feature in FeedDemon. I didn't like waiting for it to load new items when I first started it.
In the end, I think it was the fact that you have to click in a field in FeedDemon to scroll it down that decided me. Stupid little thing, but that always annoys me. Anyway, I have never found Google Reader slow. I scroll continuously and ctrl+leftclick to open items of interest in background tabs. I can't imagine it being any more efficient. Yes, I love keyboard shortcuts, but feeds are for scrolling.
Besides that, frequently something I read will interest me and warrant further inspection, and I am just happiest doing that from my browser. Launchy won't run Google searches in FeedDemon, you know. ;)
Dmitrikaramazov
Posco Grubb
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
I'm not a serious feed-reader, so I use Google Reader. Speed has not been an issue, and access from any Internet-connected computer is a huge plus. It's also one less software to install and maintain on my computer.
Posco Grubb
ChambrasWeed
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
I love GReader, but i wonder when they are going to give us a desktop-app. I would like to see something like that. Right now i use GReader and i will still using it until something really cool and new shows up. Something like i told you, a desktop interface for GReader.
ChambrasWeed
blackheart-uk
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
Personally, I have moved entirely from desktop applications to web based applications for both email and news, and to a lesser extent document editing since starting university. I like the fact that I have easy access to the sites I like to keep up on irrespective of the OS my laptop happens to be booted in or whether I'm on a computer in a campus work area, in halls or at home. I found it irritating to lose every item of interest every time I swapped computers or to have to re-read items because I swapped from one computer to another. Admittedly google does now have complete control over my life, but as long as they continue to provide a satisfactory service then I have few qualms about recommending online newsreaders over desktop ones such as LiFeRea to anyone who wants seamless and consistent access to stuff they want to access from a number of computers.
blackheart-uk
gates57
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
just registered to say "Netvibes all the way" ! The fact that you can customize the layout with tabs, columns, etc. is a definite plus for me. You will remember very quickly where to look for and you will not be distracted by clicking too much...
gates57
mholden
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
I prefer RSSFWD with Gmail's +filterting. Send all RSS to youraddress+rss@gmail.com, filter it to a separate label, and voila -- cached RSS feeds in the same interface as you read your email in. Searchable, forwardable, etc.
mholden
gfraser
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
I like my desktop reader to live in my web browser:
[brief.mozdev.org]
Allow me to pilther your topic headings...
Speed: It's plenty fast
Smart Search: Uhm, not that I know of - but then again, I don't miss it.
# Manual Feed Refresh: It checks new feeds regularly, at customisable intervals. I don't need manual refresh.
# Quick search: Yup, it's got that and it works like a charm.
# Cross-Platform Sync: Nope - I wish Firefox settings in general could be sync'ed to my laptop Firefox install (without needing a memory stick)
# Separate Buckets: Separate tabs are better :)
# Customization: Yeah, I can customise the heck out of Firefox and the plugin has just the right amount of customisation for my needs.
# Offline Reading: Yup.
# Desktop Apps: It's running in one and I've yet to find anything it doesn't do right.
# Sort Feeds by Attention: Nope.
# Access from Any Web Browser: See note on "Cross-Platform Sync"
# Integration with Other Google Products: Dunno, why would I want my feeds integrated with Google?
# Incredible Keyboard Shortcuts: Yup, it gives Reader a run for it's money.
# Shared Items: That's what IM is for - my friends send me specific URLs they think will be interesting for me, if I like the link they sent I add it to my own feeds folder ;)
# Show Only Updated Items: Yup, main view by default shows only updated articles. You can't filter the folders to just updated items though (although it indicates which folders have new stuff very well)
# Google-Powered Search: It's running in Firefox heh.
# No Storage Required: Well, yeah, it needs storage, but really - even if my archived articles ran in to gigs it's really not a problem these days.
If there was a service where I could upload my Firefox plugins and settings so that I could quickly turn any Firefox in to _my_ Firefox, Reader would die a death IMHO.
gfraser
DWHarrison
Posted 9:32 AM 18/1/08
Another big advantage for me is that when you subscribe to a feed, you immediately have the entire past history of the feed available. With client side, you only start accumulating history when you subscribe.
DWHarrison
Ian
Posted 10:33 AM 18/1/08
I use Vienna and have a question about Net News Wire that is driving me insane. I can read articles, but I cannot delete them?!? I like keeping the feed articles in their specific folders that I want to reference at a later date and trash those I don't.
Can someone shed the light on a basic concept that seems lost in so many readers?
Ian
philosopher_dog
Posted 11:35 AM 18/1/08
Nice piece and great comments. I was one of the ones convinced that there was no point in desktop solutions, but I think I've been convinced otherwise. I think I'll give the whole NewsGator / Feeddemon thing a go. I've used FeedDemon in the past and loved the ability to save pages. I didn't realize that you could integrate it with NewsGator Online. That sounds like a perfect solution for me. :)
philosopher_dog
nimbupani
Posted 11:35 AM 18/1/08
I used to use Bloglines and then switched to Google Reader, but switched to NetNewsWire when it became free. As some of the people said, the speed upgrade is incredible (and unlike bloglines, it does not suffer frequent downtimes). Also, I almost use keyboard navigation for my desktop reader too (tab key).
I really do not like NewsGator interface (not even close to Bloglines or Google Reader).
nimbupani
dalejo
Posted 11:35 AM 18/1/08
bloglines for me, portability and none of that google evil.
dalejo
michaelper22
Posted 12:35 PM 18/1/08
Google Reader has a good features-to-performance ratio, and is basically the only news reader I ever use. (I would wish that it worked faster in Opera though...)
michaelper22
artg33k
Posted 12:35 PM 18/1/08
I have used Google Reader and Sage in the past, but returned to netvibes almost a year ago and really enjoy the experience. I have individual tabs set up for the different topics I keep track of (eg, technology, world news, art blogs, craft blogs, productivity), plus one set up to keep tabs on my blog and another for general info (gmail, todoist, weather, etc).
I don't feel sold on the desktop-based reader, but since portability isn't a huge issue for me, I'm going to download FeedDemon, import my feeds from netvibes, and give it a whirl for a week.
artg33k
TehOompa
Posted 1:35 PM 18/1/08
I would jump at the chance to use a good desktop feed reader, but I need the ability to access my feeds on the web, and the web interface for NetNewsWire is terrible. Google Reader on the other hand, along with Prism or Google Gears, is just fine. Once someone makes a desktop feed reader that syncs up with Google Reader (marking read items read, not just feed additions), then I'll most likely use it. Until then, Google Reader it is.
TehOompa
JamezHill
Posted 4:32 PM 18/1/08
I <3 FeedDemon. The only bad thing is I bought it about a week before they made it free, which kinda blows...
JamezHill
Chad Cloman
Posted 4:32 PM 18/1/08
The main reason I use web-based RSS readers is that some of the feeds turn over too quickly to capture everything once or twice per day (which is how often I check for new headlines). I let the web-based readers do the capturing every hour or so, and don't lose any of the headlines.
Chad Cloman
dbr
Posted 4:32 PM 18/1/08
Both those readers offline mode are terrible - mainly because none of them attempt to cache images embed in the feed.
Newspipe ( [newspipe.sourceforge.net] ) is the only RSS agregator I've found that is able to retrieve images from posts. Even if you're not reading the posts offline, having the image stored locally is much quicker than having the images load up as you view the post.
The only (and biggest) problem with Newspipe isn't actually a newspipe-problem - Since newspipe sends RSS items as email, but the mail client I use seems unable to move messages to an appropriate folder (I had an applescript that got the X-Feed-Title header, and moved the RSS items to a folder based on that header)
But every time the script runs, after a few messages the message index gets messed up apparently and it forces Mail.app to quit are rebuild the index..
So just now I'm using NetNewsWire basically because it can make Camino open item URLs in the background - if I could do the same in Google Reader I'd be using that (Camino's "Open URLs in background tabs" option is buggy and inconsistent)
Being able to scroll though RSS items, hitting return on interesting ones is a good way to read RSS.. GReader's j/k/v/o's shortcuts are preferable, but having to switch back to the GReader tab every time I open an item is annoying
dbr
Amit Agarwal
Posted 11:26 PM 17/1/08
Just a small note about FD:
# Incredible Keyboard Shortcuts: Like GR, you can do almost everything in FD with the keyboard.
# Shared Items: FD has a similar feature called Web Clippings where you get an RSS feed of your shared items.
# Show Only Updated Items: Like Outlook, FD has an array of views where you can see only unread items, items updated in the last 24 hours, etc.
FeedDemon vs Google Reader
Amit Agarwal
Amit Agarwal
Posted 11:22 PM 17/1/08
@JamezHill: if you got it a week before, they'll refund the amount I guess.
Amit Agarwal
zia
Posted 1:57 AM 18/1/08
Netvibes Forever and Always...
zia
black_rabbit
Posted 1:32 AM 19/1/08
WTF is this "RSS" everybody keeps talking about? Where I come from, newsreaders read newsgroups.
black_rabbit
Nxqd3051990
Posted 3:32 AM 19/1/08
Google reader for me. I don't like to install many apps and gReader is simple, fast and It's OK to me.
Thanks for the comparison :)
Nxqd3051990
tayker
Posted 4:32 AM 19/1/08
I loathe online news readers because they're so slow, and I never saw a point to purchasing news readers when web browsers are free (I know the difference, but both read online content). On my Macs I use Vienna, and I use Opera on Windows. Most of the Windows versions I tried, and liked, were Java-based, but I didn't like how they taxed my system resources after being open for awhile. I guess I'll give FeedDemon another shot.
tayker
Hakan
Posted 4:32 AM 19/1/08
I have already tried many RSS Readers WEB Based and Desktops. I'm also Pocket PC user.
In my opinion Bloglines will be better than Google Reader as Web Based RSS reader, while Beta version became a production release. Also Mobile version of Bloglines better than Google Reader.
1 years ago I was using FeedReader it is very similar NetNewsWire but not powerful and neither have web based Synchronization feature nor mobile version.
Now I'm using NewsGator products as WEB, as Desktop, as Mobile. Because I should read my news without Internet.
In the other hand, Internet Explorer and Firefox have very high CPU and Memory consumption with WEB Based RSS Reader especially with Google Reader. FeedDemon can manage CPU and Memory usage very well. You should also concern this for the speed.
Hakan
terencet
Posted 4:32 AM 19/1/08
Netnewswire is the way to go for me on my mac. Speed is the main factor. For windows, does firefox plugin counts as web or desk based. I have tried many feed readers for Windows but none has the good feel like netnewswire, ever since i found newsfox for firefox. I've not look at other readers.
terencet
humbuckah
Posted 7:32 AM 19/1/08
I myself use my mail reader and rss2email [rss2email.infogami.com], along with procmail for sorting stuff server-side.
humbuckah
PromoGuy
Posted 11:32 AM 19/1/08
Only thing that bugs about G-reader, is you can't export the OPML by folder. Its all or nothing.
PromoGuy
pixelsnbits
Posted 11:32 AM 19/1/08
No mention of NewsFire?
[newsfirerss.com]
It works wonderfully, but the project is sort of dead after a tiny Leopard fix was added. It's your basic RSS reader, but I've grown accustomed to it's simplicity and straightforwardness.
pixelsnbits
Macgizmo
Posted 3:32 PM 19/1/08
With little time in my day, I'm forced to plan everything, including time to catch up with my feeds. Because of this, I don't use Web-based readers because it's a distraction. Using NetNewsWire forces me to have a set time to read through my feeds and proceed with only the articles I'm interested in - rather than clicking on every little headline of minor interest throughout the day (since I'm in a Web browser most of the day).
Macgizmo
Ian
Posted 4:32 PM 19/1/08
The thing that still has me locked in to Bloglines is the email subscriptions (you forward emails to a specific address, based on rules if you want, and that address turns it into a feed in bloglines). Anybody know if there's a way to replicate that outside of bloglines? I have hundreds of these things, so I'm totally stuck with Bloglines, even though I'd rather have the tagging ability of Google Reader (so feeds could be in multiple headings, basically).
Ian
molivier
Posted 4:32 AM 20/1/08
I switched from feeddemon to G-Reader recently for three reasons: (1) feeddemon (server side) was being blocked by some classifieds sites such as craigslist (so I wasn't seeing new classifieds in feeds) - this as reported by feeddemon support staff, (2) google reader is MUCH better on my blackberry browser, and (3) the feeddemon sync between work/home wasn't consistent.
molivier
djhworld
Posted 6:32 AM 20/1/08
Web based (Google Reader) all the way.
Having a separate RSS reader would just clutter up my desktop, the advantage with GReader is you can have it open in a tab in Firefox and it's especially useful in a dual monitor system, I swear my first monitor is purely there for web browsing purposes only.
djhworld
hector7g
Posted 9:32 AM 20/1/08
For me, running a separate app for feeds is a waste and a pain in the ass. Also, a minor issue, but I like how Adblock works in G-Reader.
Not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm really curious: Can someone enlighten me on the "slowness" of G-Reader? Are the feeds are picked up by G-Reader slowly, or is the action of scrolling through the feeds slow? I've always find G-Reader more than fast enough for me.
hector7g
dharris
Posted 3:32 AM 21/1/08
The superior mobile interface is what is keeping me and my Treo 650 on Bloglines. The original mobile interface was better because it showed the summaries of feed entries on one page, the new beta interface (m.beta.bloglines.com) is even better because it shows a limited number of items per page load. I have it set for 10 items.
With Google Reader's mobile interface it take multiple page loads to get each new chunk. The latency of my mobile net connection makes this more painful.
If/when I move to an iphone or android device, I will reconsider Google Reader. But Bloglines also has a nice iphone interface (i.bloglines.com).
(Not an employee of Blogines or affiliated company... just a satisfied user)
dharris
ichalif
Posted 6:32 AM 22/1/08
I used to use Newsgator Online, but when they changed their interface, it got too cumbersome for my tastes. I then switched to Bloglines, primarily because they offered a free mobile version. Their standard web-based RSS reader was sub-par to the Google RSS reader, so I was using both for a while (the mobile Google reader is not suited to my usage), but it was a pain to keep two separate web-based. Bloglines has a new web UI (in Beta) that is a big improvement over the previous version, so I am back to using it.
ichalif
lunaticprophet
Posted 5:32 PM 22/1/08
When google released GReader I left desktop RSS behind (reluctantly, at first). I decided to give it another whirl when FeedDemon went freebie and after installing it and trying it out a few things immediately popped out at me:
1. I no longer can update my SU blog (using context menu shortcuts or SU toolbar options) or use my GNotebook while browsing thru the feeds.
2. I can't go off on one of my endless wandering-surfing sprees while being able to easily cross-reference multi-sources from non-feed related sites.
3. I never delete feeds.. I keep everything and thats gonna be a fat hit to my HDs w/ 10k+ feed articles sitting around waiting for me to finally read or search for them (I don't read them all but I keep them for reference when a subject comes up that I need to research).
Now, maybe there are solutions for each of these problems --- I didn't try to solve them because by using GReader I just eliminate the problems.
lunaticprophet
joelena
Posted 7:47 AM 23/1/08
@hector7g: I think it can be considered slow for both reasons, both of which Adam touches on in the article. Google indexes feeds at its own schedule (when you click the "refresh" button, you're checking Google's index, not the actual feed), and it's been up to an hour behind for me - not good if you want timely RSS reminders, for example. Reader's interface is noticeably slower for me than FeedDemon's, even on my newly updated dual-core system with 4 GB RAM. You probably don't notice it too much, but if you try a desktop reader side-by-side with Reader, you'll see the difference. It's slower yet than GreatNews, to which I've returned after bumping into FeedDemon's limitations.
FeedDemon has an upper limit on the number of articles you can keep per feed (2500, but it's set to 200 (less than 2 weeks' worth of Lifehacker!) as default). I'm not sure if this is also true for NewNewsWire. According to forum posts, the data storage needs to be redesigned from the ground up - a large database would slow the app so much as to make it unuseable. There are also lots of issues with syncing, and people have been complaining about it in the forums since it was implemented.
joelena
sigloiv
Posted 7:32 AM 27/1/08
I used desktop-based readers for a very long time, until I started reading feeds at school as well. This was just a lot easier to deal with through a web-based client (Google Reader). I miss the instant synchronization, but besides that I have no regrets in moving to Google Reader.
sigloiv
adria.richards
Posted 1:32 PM 29/1/08
Adam, Great write up!
Two things caught my eye about FeedDemon:
1) The Attention feature
2) Panic button
Nick B reports that Nick H says the attention report will be available in FeeDemon 2.6 - [nick.typepad.com]
I collect things. This includes tangibles like papers and virtuals like emails. I don't use these things most times so the panic button will be a great feature to keep me in present and not get dragged down by the past, which happens to many folks like myself with ADD / ADHD......That feeling of treading water and trying to stay afloat keeps you too busy to get out of the lake!
adria.richards
jjlax328
Posted 8:32 AM 1/2/08
Personally, I like the desktop software "Feedreader" at [www.feedreader.com]
I've been using the software for about 2 years and it has done EXACTLY what I'd expect from a Desktop feedreader...without all the bells and whistles.
Worth a check I suppose if nothing else tickles your fancy.
jjlax328