Build a Hackintosh Mac for Under $800
Posted by Adam Pash at 4:00 AM on November 14, 2007

If the high price tag for Apple hardware has kept you from buying a Mac but you're willing to roll up your sleeves and get adventurous, you can build your own "Hackintosh"—a PC that runs a patched version of OS X Leopard. What?!, you say. Apple's move to Intel processors in 2006 meant that running OS X on non-Apple hardware is possible, and a community hacking project called OSx86 launched with that goal in mind. Since then, OSx86 has covered major ground, making it possible for civilians—like you and me!—to put together their own Hackintosh running Mac OS 10.5. Today, I'll show you how to build your own high end computer running Leopard from start to finish for under $800.
Right now the cheapest Mac on sale at the Apple store is a $600 Mac Mini sporting a 1.83GHz proc, 1GB of RAM and an 80GB hard drive. For $200 more, your Hackintosh can boast a 2.2GHz proc with 4GB of RAM, a 500GB drive, and a completely upgradeable case for expanding your setup in the future.
Building a DIY Mac requires some work on your part, so be ready to dedicate time to this project. To make things as easy as possible, I'm going to lay out how I built my Hackintosh from start to finish, from the hardware I used to the final patches I applied to the Leopard install. If you can build a Lego set and transcribe text, you've got all the basic skills required.
The Hardware
There's no definitive best bet for a Hackintosh hardware configuration, so you may be able to experiment and come up with a better selection of parts than I did. However, I can guarantee that Leopard will (or at least has) run successfully on this hardware setup.
To make things easy, I've put together my entire hardware setup as a wish list on Newegg. (You may notice that the total price is listed at around $850, but I knocked $110 off the price tag due to a couple of mail-in rebates—so "Under $800" it remains, however fudgingly.)
The build consists of a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, a total of 4GB of RAM (four sticks at 1GB each), an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe motherboard, a GeForce 7300GT (the same basic video card that comes installed in the default Mac Pro configuration), a 500GB hard drive, a DVD burner, and an Antec Sonata case (which I've always liked for its looks and quiet fans). The motherboard is the most important element, since the patches we'll apply later are tailored specifically for this motherboard. You could probably tweak a lot of the other hardware without many complications, but if you stick with this motherboard and follow the installation instructions, you shouldn't see any major complications.
The Build
Now that you've got all the parts, it's time to start putting your Mac together. We've detailed every step of the computer building process at one point or another in the past here on Lifehacker, so rather than cover that ground again, I'll outline the process with links to our previous instructions. As always, be sure to read your hardware manuals before you begin—particularly from the motherboard—to get to know your hardware before you start the installation. Also, always remember to be careful of static electricity and always keep yourself grounded and your board unpowered until you're finished.
- Install the motherboard and CPU: You can follow these instructions almost without variation, but the heatsink and fan installation, in particular, is a touch different. Rather than hooking the heatsink to your motherboard, the included Intel heatsink pops into place. For a more detailed description of how this works, consult your motherboard's manual and the manual included with your processor.
- Install your RAM: The only thing you need to keep in mind when you're installing the RAM is that you should install the matched pairs—that is, the pairs that come in the same package—in like coloured slots. This isn't strictly necessary, but it's a good practice and generally means better performance.
- Install the video card: These instructions actually detail how to install a PCI card, which is just a more general way of looking at your video card. The card we're using is a PCI Express card and should be installed in the top (orange) PCI slot.
- Install the hard drive and DVD drive: Your hard drive is an SATA drive, which is not the type of drive installed in the instructions (though they do address SATA drives). Just connect one of the power supply's SATA power cables to the drive and then connect the drive to the red SATA connector on your motherboard (it's labelled on the board as SATA1). Follow the same basic instructions to install your DVD drive but plug the drive into one of the other SATA ports (I used the SATA4 port).
When you've finished putting everything together, your open case should look like the nearly completed image below. In that picture, I've yet to install the hard drive and DVD drive and I still need to connect the case power and other connectors to the motherboard. (You may install other features of the motherboard if you prefer, like the FireWire connector for the back of the case).
To make sure everything's working properly, close it up, plug it into a monitor and keyboard and power it up. If the computer boots into the BIOS (by pressing Delete when prompted), you're ready to move on. If the computer won't boot, you may have to open the case back up and double-check your installation. Among other things, be sure that your RAM is properly seated.
I should note that at this point of my installation, I ran into a bum power supply unit (PSU) in my case. Unfortunately that meant that I didn't know whether the PSU was bunk or my motherboard was fried, and since I don't own a voltage meter it took an extra trip to Fry's and some troubleshooting to get to the bottom of it. The point is that when you're building a PC yourself, you can and should be prepared to run into snags, so if you're not ready to troubleshoot if a problem arises, you may want to think twice before trying this. That said, I've built several PCs in the past and this was my major snag in the course of a build, so it's also very likely that your build could go off without a hitch.
Either way, as soon as you're able to boot into the BIOS, you're ready to get started with the pre-installation.
Pre-Installation
There are two things you need to tackle to prepare your computer for installation. First, you'll need to tweak your BIOS settings to properly work with the Leopard install. Second, you need to patch the Leopard DVD to install on your newly built Hackintosh computer.
Tweak your BIOS: The first thing I did once my build was finished was update my BIOS, since the default BIOS wasn't properly recognizing my processor. Luckily doing so is pretty simple. Just head over to the ASUS download site, narrow down, and then download the latest BIOS for your motherboard. Once downloaded, just stick the file on a USB flash drive. Then boot up your build and enter the BIOS setup. Like I said above, power on your computer and hit Delete when prompted to boot into the BIOS.
Once you're there, arrow to the Tools tab of the BIOS, select EZ Flash2, and then hit Enter. Now choose your flash drive by tabbing to the appropriate drive, find the BIOS file you downloaded, and install it. When the BIOS has updated, your computer should automatically restart.
Now that you've updated your BIOS, you're ready to get into some nitty gritty preparation. If you plugged in your drives like I suggested during your build, you should see your hard drive and DVD drive listed in the BIOS as Third IDE Master and Fourth IDE Slave. (Don't worry about the fact that your hard drive isn't listed as the Primary IDE Master.) Arrow down to IDE Configuration and hit Enter.
In the IDE config, you want to set "Configure SATA As" to AHCI. Next hit Escape once to go back to the Main screen. Now hit the right arrow key to move to the Advanced tab. In the Advanced section go to "Onboard Devices Configuration" and set "JMicron SATA / PATA Controller" to Disabled.
Now you need to arrow over to the Boot tab to configure the boot priority (which tells your computer what order you want to boot off devices in your computer). Go to "Boot Device Priority" and set your DVD drive as priority one and your hard drive as priority two.
Done? Then you're ready to move onto patching your Leopard DVD.
Patch Leopard for your Hackintosh: There are a couple of different ways one could go about creating a patched Leopard DVD. The easiest is probably to download an already patched version using BitTorrent (I can attest to having seen the patched version floating around before Demonoid went under, but it's probably available elsewhere as well). The second method requires patching a Leopard DVD yourself, which isn't really as hard as it sounds.
If you decide to go the first route and you find a pre-patched version off BitTorrent, you can skip to the next section. Otherwise, let's get down to work. To patch the Leopard install disc, you'll need a Mac and a pre-patched image of the Leopard installer on your desktop. You can get this in two ways: Either by downloading the image—again with BitTorrent—or by buying and then ripping a Leopard DVD to your hard drive. Either way you choose, when you're finished you should place the ripped installer on your desktop and make sure that it's named osx-leopard105.dmg.
Now it's time to get patching. To do so, you need to grab the patch files (created by the resourceful OSx86 forum member BrazilMac, who bundled the patch files and whose instructions I followed for the installation), which you can download from one of many sources here under the "FILES FOR THIS GUIDE" section at the top of the page. After you've downloaded the zipped patch files, unzip the archive and drag all of the contents of the archive to your desktop (it should contain two files and three folders in total).
Now open the 9a581-patch.sh shell script in your favourite text editor. At the top of the file, replace XXX with your username on your Mac (so that it reflects the path to your current desktop). For example, mine would look like:
APDIR=/Users/adam/Desktop
DMG="/Users/adam/Desktop/osx-leopard105.dmg"
While we're at it, let's edit the 9a581PostPatch.sh file as well. This time, edit the fourth and fifth lines at the top of the file to look like this:
PATCH="/Volumes/LeopardPatch/leopatch/" # path to the patched extensions
LEO="/Volumes/Leopard" # path to Leopard installation
Save and close both files.
Finally, it's time to patch the DVD. Open up Terminal, type sudo -s, then enter your administrative password (your login password). The type cd Desktop and hit Enter. Now you're ready to apply the patch. Keep in mind that you'll need plenty of space on your hard drive to perform the patch. I had around 20GB of free space when I did it, though I'm sure you could get away with less. To execute the patch, type:
./9a581-patch.sh
and hit Enter. The patch will now execute, which means you've got some time on your hands. You've been working your arse off up until this point, though, so kick back and relax for a bit. I didn't have a clock on it, but I'm pretty sure the patch took at least an hour on my MacBook Pro.
If you have trouble with the patch and you've got less free space, try freeing up some hard drive space and trying again. When the patch has successfully completed, you should see a new file on your desktop: Leo_Patched_DVD.iso weighing in somewhere around 4,698,669,056 bytes. Now we've got to burn this image to a DVD.
Luckily the patch removes lots of unnecessary files so we've shrunk the almost 7GB install DVD to 4.38GB, just enough to fit on a single-layer DVD. To burn the image, insert a blank DVD, open up Disk Utility, select the Leopard_Patched_DVD.iso file in the sidebar, and then click the Burn button. Once it's finished, you're finally ready to proceed to the installation.
But just one more thing before you do. Copy the patch files that we just unzipped from your Desktop to a USB thumb drive and name the drive LeopardPatch. We'll need these files for the post-installation patch that we'll apply later.
Installation
If you've followed all of the steps up to this point, you should now be ready to fire up the patched Leopard install DVD. So power on your Hackintosh, insert the DVD, and let the boot process begin (you did remember to set the DVD drive as the first boot device, right?). You'll be prompted to press any key to start the installation or hit F8 for options. Hit F8.
You'll now see the boot: prompt. Enter -v -x and press Enter. (Don't ask me why, but this is the only way the install DVD would boot for me. Not using these options caused the boot to hang indefinitely every time.) You should now see lots of text scrolling over your monitor. You may even see some daunting errors. Don't be alarmed; just let it continue. After several minutes, the graphical Leopard installer should be staring you in the face.
Format the install drive: I know that you're raring to install now that you're finally here, but there's one thing we need to do first: Format our hard drive so that it's prepared to receive the Leopard installation. So go to Utilities in the menu bar and select Disk Utility (if you don't have a working mouse yet, you can still access the menu bar from they keyboard). Once Disk Utility fires up, it's time to format the drive. Here's how:

- Select your hard drive in the left sidebar.
- Click on the tab labelled Partition.
- Select a 1 partition Volume Scheme, name the volume Leopard, and choose Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as the format.
- Last, click the Options button and choose Master Boot Record as the partition scheme.
Now that your drive is ready, so are you.
Install Leopard: This really is the easiest part—just follow the on-screen instructions and choose your newly created Leopard partition as the install destination. Then, before you make that final click on the Install button, click Customize and de-select Additional Fonts, Language Translations, and X11. These components were removed so we could fit everything on the patched DVD, so we won't be installing them now.
Now you're ready. Click install and grab a quick drink. In around 10 minutes, Leopard should have installed, leaving you with just one more step before you're running with the Leopard.
Post-Installation
After the installation completes, your computer will automatically restart. Unfortunately you're not ready to boot into Leopard just yet—you've got one thing left to do. So insert the thumb drive you copied the patches to and, just like last time, hit F8 when prompted by the DVD. Again, enter -v -x at the boot prompt and hit Enter. When the install disc finally loads, go to Utilities in the menu bar and select Terminal. It's time to apply the post-install patch.
When terminal loads, type
cd /Volumes/LeopardPatch at the prompt and hit Enter to navigate to the patch directory. Now, just like when you patched the install disc, type:
./9a581PostPatch.sh
...and hit Enter. The script will move and copy files about (answer yes when prompted), and when it's finished, you'll be prompted to restart your computer. When your computer reboots this time, you're ready. It's time to boot into Leopard.
OSx86 on Your Hackintosh
Let your computer reboot, but be sure to leave the install DVD in the drive. When the DVD prompts this time, just let the countdown time out. When it does, your installation of Leopard will automatically boot up. You've done it!
From this point forward, you're running Leopard on your PC just as though you were running Leopard on a regular Mac. You'll be jubilantly welcomed in a handful of languages as if Steve Jobs himself is shaking your hand for a job well done. All of your hardware should work exactly as you'd expect. Your sound, networking, and video will all work off the bat. (I haven't tested the motherboard's built-in wireless yet, but it reportedly works.) Your iPods will sync flawlessly, and CDs and DVDs read and burn just as you'd expect.
On the software front, Mail, Address Book, iTunes, and everything else I've tried so far work flawlessly. Firefox is browsing, Quicksilver is doing it's thing, Spaces are rocking, Stacks are stacking, Cover Flow is flowing, and Quick Look is previewing. I haven't tried Time Machine yet, but the patch we used reportedly works with Time Machine as well.
But Really, How Does It Work?
And that's that. It's a chore to set up, to be sure, but it's also the most powerful Mac per dollar I've ever used. If you've got any experience building a Hackintosh of your own or you've got any questions, let's hear them in the comments.
Adam Pash is a senior editor for Lifehacker who loves a good hack and cherishes his Macintosh, so building a Hackintosh was a perfect fit. His special feature Hack Attack appears every Wednesday on Lifehacker AU.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Scott
Posted January 17, 2008 3:16 AM
If you want to Dual boot, Install windows, then add chain0 to the boot.ini then you wont need to use the install cd to load osx. Chain0 looks for a osx partition and boots it.
aeronaut
Posted 3:29 PM 13/11/07
CompUSA stores are selling their demo Mini's for $350. No free update to Leopard, though. You're local store may still have one left.
aeronaut
HeartBurnKid
Posted 3:28 PM 13/11/07
@Buran: Hey, Apple'd have to defend its EULA first.
HeartBurnKid
edosan
Posted 3:10 PM 13/11/07
@bryan139: Why stop with the OS? If you assume you already have all the hardware, you can build one of these for FREE! Alternatively, since one of the options listed is stealing the OS via Bittorrent, why not shoplift whatever hardware you need? Five finger discount equals FREE!
[/Modest Proposal Mode]
edosan
wiseassoffice
Posted 2:43 PM 13/11/07
Its really not as scarey as even this article makes it out to be. The OS runs just as reliably on a PC as it does on a Mac. The biggest issues are drivers for video cards and the legality of it all. Also it seems as if OS X runs faster on some PC hardware so you get a speed boost too. I remember when I first did this I was amazed at the speed difference between a Dual G5 and a P4 processor. Lately I have been considering replacing my g4 Powerbook with a OSX86 laptop. I can just not justify spending big dollars on a computer with the same case, come on Apple upgrade it already. Also here's another point. If you are a laptop user and cannot do without a right click this may be the way to go. Dual boot anyone?
wiseassoffice
endless
Posted 2:37 PM 13/11/07
@farseen:
done correctly on the right hardware, a hackintosh will outpace your average store bought mac.
endless
Al Iguana
Posted 2:36 PM 13/11/07
I experimented with x86 back in Tiger, worked like a charm. Until Apple released an update, then you had to hack out the kexts and kernel everytime, which was a major pita and didn't really make it worthwhile. Apple should just come out with a whilebox version of Leopard, with a "install at own risk" get-out clause. There is enough of a community around to make Apple support (for people going the homebrew route) irrelevant.
Personally, I would love to "switch", but no way I'm paying - as you illustrated above - for a cut-down Apple machine when for a few bucks more I can have a top-range one. Its hardware cost & restrictions that's keeping me with Windows.
Al Iguana
farseen
Posted 2:31 PM 13/11/07
Thats pretty awesome actually.
I wonder if it runs as smooth as Macs? Anyone tried and tested.. ?
farseen
daftrok
Posted 2:29 PM 13/11/07
Fuck Macbook, Fuck Macbook Pro, Fuck Mac Pro, Fuck iMac, and Fuck Mac Mini. Bring your prices down or Hackintosh will take over!
daftrok
hyoomen
Posted 2:24 PM 13/11/07
Wow, the comments are aflame, today!
Thanks for the writeup, Adam. I find the project interesting from a hobbyist's perspective -- in the tradition of the Homebrew Computing Club and other foundational projects of the home computing industry.
For my own part, I wish the OSx86 crews and others would put as much effort into developing Apple-like software for Linux as they have for porting Apple to Intel. If Ubuntu had more robust video and graphics editing software available for it most or spectacular Mac virtualization software most of the ethics concerns above would be rendered moot.
Keep pushing the boundaries for the layman (and consider a "this is purely for educational purposes" disclaimer for all of those people who are unwilling to read the part about "patching your Leopard DVD" as legal/ethical).
hyoomen
Buran
Posted 2:19 PM 13/11/07
@G-Dog: Huh? I'm a Mac user, and I've done exactly that many times at work, both still and video capture.
Buran
Buran
Posted 2:17 PM 13/11/07
@HeartBurnKid: Yeah, let's see a lawyer defend that in court if anyone ever gets in legal trouble for doing this.
Buran
Buran
Posted 2:16 PM 13/11/07
Sure, if you want to break the law. While I think it's cool that this can be done (in other words, don't take this statement wrongly), is it really a good idea to advocate doing illegal things like this?
Buran
xrobevansx
Posted 2:15 PM 13/11/07
How do firmware updates/OS upgrades work? Does the hardware make any crazy conflicts?
xrobevansx
HeartBurnKid
Posted 2:00 PM 13/11/07
@MRKisThatKid: And when you use Linux, you're not paying anything at all. Does that mean that using Linux at all is unethical, since you're not covering the cost of development?
Meh. You pay the price they ask for the product. Any concerns beyond that are Apple's, not yours.
HeartBurnKid
Brian Little
Posted 1:56 PM 13/11/07
@Heartburnkid: Yeah, probably something like that. There's probably a little more to it. Maybe I value my time more than my money, and maybe that just goes with getting older.
Either way, I'm a lifehacker for purposes of streamlining my life. This just seems like a needlessly complex way to save a couple hundred bucks.
Now get off my damn lawn!
;)
Brian Little
MRKisThatKid
Posted 1:52 PM 13/11/07
I don't want to be a grump, but putting legal issues aside, I can't help but question the ethics of this also. That is, if you compare the retail price of OS X to that of Windows it matches quite closely to the Upgrade, not the full version. I'm sure it can't entirely cover the cost of development and that some of the premium (not all obviously) you pay when getting mac hardware goes towards the OS.
So by doing this, you're only paying for the upgrade and not paying the full whack.
MRKisThatKid
HeartBurnKid
Posted 1:51 PM 13/11/07
@Brian Little: So, would you say you're "Getting too old for this shit?"
Go on, say it. In your best Danny Glover voice. :)
HeartBurnKid
HeartBurnKid
Posted 1:49 PM 13/11/07
@2-7offsuit: It's all in the form factor. Every case has its own form factor, as does every motherboard; it's just a case of mix and match from there. An ATX case will handle both ATX and Micro-ATX boards; a Micro-ATX case will only handle Micro-ATX boards; and a BTX case will only handle BTX boards (but these are fairly rare outside of OEMs).
If you want a smaller machine, match a Micro-ATX case with a Micro-ATX board and you'll be fine.
HeartBurnKid
Brian Little
Posted 1:41 PM 13/11/07
Adam,
I don't want to discount the creativity of this project, which is impressive. I was a system builder for many years, so I know how much fun this can be. This is why it probably says a great deal about me that I just don't see any point in doing this kind of thing. Really.
When I was 18 years younger and single, with more or less unlimited free time and a lot of discretionary income, I might have done this and enjoyed it. But I have a kid and a mortgage, and have better things to do with my time. I have come, lately, to see the value of my time versus the value of my things.
Which is to say that the time you spent hacking together a machine that will be a maintenance nightmare is time I get to spend with my daughter. Money you saved in the short term is money that I spent up front to get a machine that works right, right out of the box.
All things being equal, I think I came out ahead. But that probably means I'm not part of the audience you're writing to, doesn't it. :)
Nice piece of work, even if I do agree with your critics that you aren't being up front about the complete costs.
Brian Little
endless
Posted 1:40 PM 13/11/07
@Flibbetigibbet:
or get a motherboard like the intel D975XBX2 which has integrated firewire. several people have had alot of success doing this.
im just waiting on some ram and my quad core to get here and i will be well on my way.
endless
Joseph
Posted 1:38 PM 13/11/07
@zakharm: @engtech: Updates is the main thing I was worried about. It sound's good, but 1 patch and everything will probably break. Kinda like the iPhone :).
Joseph
nikoPSK
Posted 1:34 PM 13/11/07
Nice, I should try it... The mac I want is 2000$$$
nikoPSK
zakharm
Posted 1:34 PM 13/11/07
As for future updates, disable automatic updates in system preferences and just wait for the community to release the patched version of the update. It is a bit of a chore though and I would always wonder if the next update is going to break the system.
Definitely fun for an experimental machine, but I would never try to run a production machine this way.
After experimenting with a Hackintosh for a while, we happily now own a MBP and a MB.
zakharm
2-7offsuit
Posted 1:25 PM 13/11/07
When it comes to choosing a case, how can you tell if everything will fit? I'd be interested in making a smaller version with different components, but I get stuck when it comes to choosing the appropriate case.
2-7offsuit
bryan139
Posted 1:20 PM 13/11/07
@drivebybiped: I can see a situation where you might have an extra license laying around for leopard: suppose you had three macs in your house, and you wanted to upgrade to leopard. Naturally, you would purchase the $200 5-computer family pack instead of shelling out $130 for each mac. Then you would have two licenses that you still own, but are not being used. Then you can use one of those licenses legally to install OSX on another box. If I was in this situation, I would love to use the other licenses and experiment with creating a "hackintosh."
bryan139
engtech
Posted 1:16 PM 13/11/07
Very cool, Adam.
I'm tempted to give it a try, but a little worried that future updates might knock out the jury-rigging.
engtech
Flibbetigibbet
Posted 1:12 PM 13/11/07
G-DOG: Wrong. Add a $10 Firewire card and one of these systems will run everything in FCP like a champ. Been there, done that.
Flibbetigibbet
Gev
Posted 1:08 PM 13/11/07
@holymogwai: You spend a couple hours trying to figure out which characters in "Apple Computer" can be replaced by currency symbols and then post a rant about how much Apple sucks.
Gev
G-Dog
Posted 1:01 PM 13/11/07
Good luck trying to pull video down via FireWire and editing it in Final Cut Pro.
I've looked into this solution several times, and unless you are just webbing around, the OS is too crippled to be of any real use outside of bragging rights.
G-Dog
onidavin
Posted 12:59 PM 13/11/07
@kylenalepa: I did some looking on the wiki, and the best solution seems to be to just have two hard drives so you don't accidentally screw stuff up. Which I am in support of! ;)
onidavin
kylenalepa
Posted 12:54 PM 13/11/07
@onidavin: I'd also like to know if this would work to dual-boot XP and Leopard. I'm guessing at the part where you select the partition that you would just tell the installer to create a new one to exist alongside the XP one... but I'm not sure.
kylenalepa
quail
Posted 12:52 PM 13/11/07
A year or two ago, didn't Apple get all up into the faces of several websites for posting a hack to run OSX on a PC? If memory serves the sites had to take down the information. I'll check around next week to see if this hack info is still here.
quail
holymogwai
Posted 12:48 PM 13/11/07
So, when apple releases an update that kills your hacked machine, then what?
holymogwai
ryan7107
Posted 12:47 PM 13/11/07
@hybrid8: If he wanted to build the equivelent of an iMac, he could put in a cheaper 2GZ CPU, 1GB of RAM instead of 4GB, a 250GB HDD instead of a 500GB HDD, and throw in a 20" LCD for under $200. It would be way cheaper then a $1200 iMac.
ryan7107
drivebybiped
Posted 12:47 PM 13/11/07
@onidavin: By "Already owned the OS" I'm assuming you mean that it hasn't been installed on any other hardware, or that if it is you immediately destroy/wipe said hardware of Leapord.
This is a fun hack but the legalities of it seem all over the place. Also the "Under $800" is just there to increase traffic to the article.
drivebybiped
Gev
Posted 12:47 PM 13/11/07
Wow, nice going there telling folks to essentially steal an operating system.
Gev
ashgotti
Posted 12:44 PM 13/11/07
Nothing is more gratifying than booting up my Thinkpad to see the apple logo. It's a lot of fun getting it to run.
Great guidebut if I was going to spend $800+ I'd just buy a Mac for ease of mind.
[www.lemonlimedesigns.ca]
ashgotti
Earthslide
Posted 12:41 PM 13/11/07
@hybrid8: <--- Debbie Downer
Earthslide
onidavin
Posted 12:37 PM 13/11/07
@hybrid8: I think the article assumed you already owned the OS. This is a very useful article for those of us who are interested in it.
onidavin
hybrid8
Posted 12:35 PM 13/11/07
Wow, what a bullshit "article"
An "under $800" system that isn't, no matter how you slice the rebates.
And on top of that you need to STEAL the OS. Did I miss the line itemizing the $129 for Leopard? I sure didn't miss the line advocating downloading a hacked version using Bittorrent.
For the price of adding the display you can get a 20" iMac instead of the frankenstein Antec case running that ASUS mobo.
Pathetic.
hybrid8
AlexLand
Posted 12:32 PM 13/11/07
Wow, great guide. I've been waiting for something like this.
AlexLand
Earthslide
Posted 12:31 PM 13/11/07
You forgot to include the $129 Leopard software ... However, Best walk through yet!
Earthslide
ocdude
Posted 12:29 PM 13/11/07
Actually, a thought occurred to me. What happens with software update? Does it revert any changes made to the system for it to be able to run on the machine? Will running software update brick the system?
ocdude
Earthslide
Posted 12:28 PM 13/11/07
Fastest Windows is on a Mac, Fastest Leopard is on a PC :)
Earthslide
Paul
Posted 12:27 PM 13/11/07
Does this setup, specifically BIOS settings, allow dual booting into XP/Vista?
Paul
endless
Posted 12:25 PM 13/11/07
excellent walk through.
getting the right hardware is absolutely clutch.
endless
hoborg
Posted 12:24 PM 13/11/07
Could you feasibly do this with some super-cheap or older parts? I'm guessing you couldn't swap the dual-core intel & appropriate mobo for an AMD or something, but could you skimp on everything else and build something with the power of a mac mini for, say, $300-$400?
hoborg
ocdude
Posted 12:24 PM 13/11/07
This has me really really curious. I've been needing to upgrade to a newer machine from my pitiful first gen mac mini (I do a lot of final cut pro work on it. Yes, it is painful), and this, if it works as advertised, would totally suit my needs (that of a starving student filmmaker).
This post has been totally bookmarked for later use. A follow up would be nice to see if you ran into any major snags you hadn't noticed previously.
ocdude
marcscrookedfinger
Posted 12:24 PM 13/11/07
Do both ethernet ports work (dual ethernet)? And what about the esata port? Any word if it works?
marcscrookedfinger
HeartBurnKid
Posted 12:22 PM 13/11/07
Funny thing regarding the license agreement for OSX: It specifically states that the OS can only be installed on Apple-labeled computers. Not Apple-manufactured, or Apple-branded, just Apple-labeled.
IANAL, but it seems to me that, from this phrasing, you can just slap one of these on your case and you'll be good and legal (as long as you bought the software, of course).
HeartBurnKid
onidavin
Posted 12:21 PM 13/11/07
How does installing Windows/OS X dual boot on these kinds of setups end up working out? Herculean task or fairly straightforward?
onidavin
therottenword
Posted 12:14 PM 13/11/07
I remember my newbie days, when I thought rocking Stardock and a few other skinning apps meant that I was using a Mac.
In my later years of course, I have learned never to judge an OS by its skin.
This sure is a tempting experiment.
therottenword
onidavin
Posted 12:12 PM 13/11/07
I might sell my PowerMac on eBay and make one of these. Having an Intel processor would be nice -- I'd like to run some windows games, and my workhorse desktop mac is an old PPC one. So no dice for that.
onidavin
sinnesloeschen
Posted 12:12 PM 13/11/07
@strum40:
They're made of ivory and rainbows, apparently.
sinnesloeschen
strum40
Posted 12:10 PM 13/11/07
$600 Mac Mini:1.83GHz proc, 1GB of RAM and an 80GB hard drive. That's all you can get for $600? Man those shiny white cases must cost a fortune.
strum40
sinnesloeschen
Posted 12:09 PM 13/11/07
Precious. No more fighting with editing kexts and startup scripts that get OSx86 to notice your ethernet card.
sinnesloeschen
lpranal
Posted 4:31 PM 13/11/07
I tried really, really hard to get this working well back in tiger. I'll say this: Wait for a few updates (probably til at least 10.5.1) and see if the system is still "as stable as an imac"; or even if it still boots.
lpranal
mariachi
Posted 4:28 PM 13/11/07
AMD?
mariachi
Kloud
Posted 4:15 PM 13/11/07
@Buran: Nice triple post. And by the way, he was talking about THIS build, not a Mac build.
Kloud
jeff303
Posted 3:56 PM 13/11/07
@mbren28568: This argument is as old as the internet and getting rather tired. Apple makes money from its hardware sales - they make no secret about this and everyone already knows it. If they make a "white box" version of their OS for commodity hardware, they gain income from increased OS sales but lose hardware sales and the less tangible Apple "experience" which generally guarantees a pleasant computing experience (due to hardware homogeneity, etc.). Obviously they have done this analysis and decided they don't want to go this route.
Also your argument about Mac users running Windows is a strawman. Microsoft allows legitimate copies of its OS to be installed on Apple hardware (why not?)
jeff303
wescrock
Posted 3:44 PM 13/11/07
can you do it with an AMD dual core CPU? Im interested to find out.
wescrock
nikoPSK
Posted 3:39 PM 13/11/07
does this require you to install tiger before? I saw the screenshots had tiger in them... I plan to buy all the parts and try it. Better than paying 2000 dollars for a mac with 2 Gigs of RAM a 250 Gig hd and a 2.4 GHz processor. But seriously. Can I just download the patched version pop it in and start? Also could anyone just gimme the link to the download (Just the main site, I can find it by myself...) of the patched version. thanks
nikoPSK
radicallyhip
Posted 2:45 PM 13/11/07
Just to push the envelope further, would it be "wise" to move the DVD image to a compact flash card (CF card) and hook up the CF card to the IDE/SATA bus interface using a IDE/CF connector? That way, the the boot up time would be fast and the "DVD" would always be present.
Q: What if want to dual boot?
A: Partition the CF card to enable dual boot with those MS Windows/Linux "live images". But, hey - what do I know? :-P
radicallyhip
mbren28568
Posted 2:41 PM 13/11/07
I have to say, I am a bit irritated by the mac fanboy response to this, about how running leopard on a PC is such heresy. How many of you are running some form of windows on your precious macs? I wont even take bets on how many of those windows versions are legit.
Beyond that, this is what happens when a company participates in the raping of it's customers on hardware. Seriously...compare prices between say, dell and apple. Even WITH the more expensive OS, you're still talking about at least a 33% discount if you go windows based.
I've contemplating getting a mac in the past, and the hardware cost has been somewhat prohibitive...but even more than that, I just can't deal with the "MAC IS A LIFESTYLE, MAN" fanboy, mac hippies. Not to mention Steve Jobs' 'big brotheresque' tactics of late. Thanks, but no thank, I'll stick with my windows NT boxes. You'd be absolutely amazed at how fast a really small, simple OS can run on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram.
mbren28568
CDC
Posted 1:22 PM 13/11/07
I think people miss the point with getting a Mac. The idea behind the Mac is that it is an experience not only with software, but with hardware as well. Having both the software and hardware talk to each other and get along makes that user experience. Once you take Mac OS X out of the hardware, even though it is still a great piece of software, you lose the whole experience. And Apple Hardware isn't that much more expensive than PC's if you compare apple's to apple's (pun intended)
CDC
JCcomputerguy
Posted 1:12 PM 13/11/07
Would it be possible to build this with TWO hard drives and have one drive boot the cpu up as a Windows XP and the other drive boot the cpu as a Leopard Hackintosh?
I'm licking my chops in anticipation. Wouldn't it be great to have ONE cpu that functions as either?
JCcomputerguy
geiman
Posted 1:10 PM 13/11/07
Yes it will dual boot, and no it is not crippled, in the end you get a fully functioning OS X install. My method to make your OS X install boot after a fresh install.
1. boot back into dvd and type in terminal:
cd /usr/misc
./script.sh "Name of leopard partition without quotes"
2. open up disk utility and unmount Leopard partition
3. repeat above.
4. reboot, and you should have a working hackintosh!
geiman
Robert Isbell
Posted 4:38 PM 13/11/07
wow, a great walkthrough, I had a compaq laptop running OSx86 before the wildfires got it. I hope you can get it to boot without the dvd soon.
Robert Isbell
gcguster99t
Posted 4:34 PM 13/11/07
Wow. This is amazing. Too bad I already spent $1400 on a macbook. But still, the things you can do with this. .. wow. That's all I have to say.
gcguster99t
agroom
Posted 6:30 PM 13/11/07
so Leopard it can't be patched from windows?
agroom
nikoPSK
Posted 6:27 PM 13/11/07
ummm. Its linux/ mac
nikoPSK
agroom
Posted 6:18 PM 13/11/07
total noob question here, but where it says to type " ./9a581-patch.sh" into terminal, what is terminal and how do I access it?
agroom
balls187
Posted 6:04 PM 13/11/07
@snowmentality: I agree, if you go spec-by-spec, it's hard to build something at the same level as apple for cheaper.
But I disagree, eventually Apple will realize that there is major money to be made if they start supporting the PC market, and the OSx86 project is just the tip of the iceberg.
balls187
balls187
Posted 6:02 PM 13/11/07
@mariachi: There is usually an AMD specific patch that will work for you guys.
balls187
balls187
Posted 5:58 PM 13/11/07
I was one of the original guys working on the hackintosh project (some of my native hdd install tutorials are still posted), but back before there were nvidia drivers so modifying kexts was all you had.
It was a fun weekend project, but in the end, I wanted native res, and native quart support, so I went back to XP.
Now a days, I hate doing computeree things on my computer, and instead opt for doing productive things (like surf for porn) so i just said eff it, and bought a mac.
balls187
snowmentality
Posted 5:54 PM 13/11/07
@ Areyoukidding -- Seriously, if you go to Apple.com and Dell.com, and build a computer at Dell.com that has the same specs as the Mac, it's going to cost the same or more.
The only difference is that you don't have the option of buying a cheapie $300 Mac. Apple doesn't sell lower-end computers. That's the way they choose to run their business, and yeah, it means that it's not what some people want. When you buy a Mac you're buying a higher-end machine.
And you've got some seriously dramatic rhetoric to attack a company that, by all measures, is having huge success with their business model right now.
The Hackintosh is cool. It's for hobbyists, for people who like the proof-of-concept. But it's hardly the harbinger of revolution.
snowmentality
Farleysfolk
Posted 5:39 PM 13/11/07
Question - are you able to get Speed Stepped processing and Fan Control running?
I've never yet got things sorted out under Linux. I'd almost be willing to buy an iMac just to quiet my house!
Farleysfolk
Mitch77
Posted 4:35 PM 13/11/07
Something I am not clear on:
Must we use these specific components?
Can we use any Mobo, Core 2 Duo, Graphics card etc?
IF there are limited options is there a list somewhere?
thanks
Mitch77
areyoukidding
Posted 4:30 PM 13/11/07
Ok guys, with EULAs and fan-boy attitudes aside, can someone explain to me why the ethics of this situation are any different than taking a Ford engine and putting it in a Chevy? Yes, it is illegal to download Leopard. Fine. So go buy it for $129 at your local Apple store, and maybe pick up a 20" monitor while you're there. You'll STILL end up with a system that is FAR less expensive than any Apple product of the same performance on the market today. Anyone who disputes this has yet to actually try it themselves. I have bought genuine Apple machines in the past, and that's why I build non-genuine Apple machines now.
But going back to the legality of this situation: It is NOT illegal to build a computer and put software into it. That is exactly what you're doing. If you choose to SELL the machine with the software installed, well, that's another story. Don't let your rights be taken just because some over-protective corporation tells you how to be an obedient consumer.
Now, in regards to updates: You're all right, the updates cannot be easily installed. That is perhaps the ONE major problem with a hackintosh. But if you can justify paying anywhere from $1000-$2000 more for a system just to have easy updates and customer support, then what are you doing at this site? If your time is so "valuable", why waste it here reading articles that don't speak to you in the first place?
Consider the hackintosh as an allegory, if you will, for the slow downfall of a system that does NOT work. Companies like Apple offer their products at high costs, when in reality all you're paying for are hip, eye-catching advertising, blood-sucking marketing strategies, and the same exact hardware that is sold at the local computer hardware store for thousands of dollars less.
If companies like Apple wish to continue existing, they need to rethink their business models, otherwise the people will eventually bury them with their own self-imposed marketplaces. Corporate America is continually underestimating its consumers, and it will get burned every time. It's already happening in the music industry, and it can happen in any other industry where the better interests of the company are put before the consumer.
The fact that the Hackintosh exists is clear evidence that younger generations will always rise up against the mommy-daddy-SUV generations. Apple is run by the same people that it sells to, and if that doesn't change, they will continue to exist as a snake eating their own tail until they finally consume themselves whole.
areyoukidding
ID10TErrors.com
Posted 4:07 PM 13/11/07
At the very least, this article allows those who want to tinker around the ability to explore this at a low entry price. While there are licensing issues to consider and carefully evaulate before playing around with this, some people may really enjoy the fun that comes along with such a project. :)
ID10TErrors.com
pstevens
Posted 3:54 PM 13/11/07
I'd like to see this in a comparable form factor to the mini as it is used in consideration for cost.
Check out the mini's long lost Mini-ITX board [www.linuxdevices.com]
pstevens
JohnC86
Posted 3:49 PM 13/11/07
Fantastic article, I've been interested in a hackintosh computer for a long time, but it's hard to find a simple all in one guide, offering a full hardware guide as well as software installation guide. Major Kudos to you and i'm looking forward to trying this myself.
JohnC86
Stealth
Posted 3:35 PM 13/11/07
Anyone with the technical skill to do this hack should have enough understanding of software ownership to figure out if what they are doing is illegal or not and be able to make a moral decision based on that. Also if you'll notice the longest section in the whole article is how to patch the upgrade DVD, this would mean that you are most likely editing software that was legally purchased. So yes theres a huge possibility of illegal actions by readers because of this and other similar articles, but if you want to get on the band wagon of harassing writers that legally supply computer users with informations that could be used to break the law you're complaining in the wrong place, why don;t you go to all the bit torrent articles and complain there about how those articles are advocating the theft of music and movies that protected under copyright. Forget the fact that downloading those materials AND/OR the cracked leopard DVD is perfectly legal if you happen to own a copy of that information and you are simply using one as an unused backup. I realize that is not usually the case but if you want to get into legality theres what I think.
Well now that I've ranted about law. The article itself is great, it makes me actually want to try OS X. I have a friend that did this (LEGALLY) to his company computer that's straight from Dell and a couple of years old. He's no computer genius so this is do able on other setups. The great advantage of this that I see is exactly why I don't own a mac now. If you want to upgrade hardware all you have to do is buy it and put it in. As mentioned drivers can be an adventure but this makes OS X into a use able OS for people like me that change out hardware often to keep up with advances in technology.
Stealth
2-7offsuit
Posted 7:28 PM 13/11/07
@agroom: It's in Apps/Utilities, but if you're serious you probably shouldn't be attempting this.
2-7offsuit
areyoukidding
Posted 7:24 PM 13/11/07
@snowmentality: Dell and Apple are in the same boat. The only difference is that one makes Macs and the other makes PCs. Both are over-priced. Do you really believe that when you buy a Mac you're buying "a higher-end machine"? Really? It's not about the machine, it's about the software! I would much rather see Macs off the market and see Apple continue to develop what they are good at developing: SOFTWARE. News flash: why do people go to the great lengths of building a hackintosh in the first place? Because you can sync it up to iTunes? Nope, PCs already do that. It's because OS X is a great operating system. Apple needed to support their software with more performance-ready machines, and so they turned to Intel.
When I bought my 1.5ghz G4 Powerbook back in 2004, it was the fastest, most powerful Powerbook that Apple sold. But guess what? The AMD 1800+ Windows machine I built myself TWO years prior could out-perform it without question. Yes, we're talking about two different operating systems, but there's no reason why a $2800 Powerbook shouldn't out-perform a two-year-old $600 AMD machine regardless of what the two are running. This is a performance-to-dollar debate and Apple will always lose. The only thing they have to offer is software, warranties, customer service, and the opportunity to look cool in front of your friends. That's great for the new-user market, but horrible for the experienced user who knows what they're doing and is looking for performance and great software (which Microsoft lacks). For the millions of us that Apple chooses to ignore, the hackintosh is the ultimate answer, hands down. And as the market for such machines grows in demand, and consumers and professionals gain more computer experience, Apple is going to have to change their business model in one way or another. As of now, they're reaching the end of the line, no matter how many iPods and iPhones they sell.
areyoukidding
Nishi
Posted 7:10 PM 13/11/07
Wow, an amazing right up. Have to give this a try sometime. Great work.
Nishi
huntermunkey
Posted 6:58 PM 13/11/07
Apple needs to lower their prices. That's the only reason I see that they don't have more sales.
huntermunkey
Sally Tenpenny
Posted 6:46 PM 13/11/07
Interesting! Looks like a fun project although ultimately I'd say it's really much more about "it can be done" then about actually saving money. Good work though.
Sally Tenpenny
da5id_nz
Posted 6:45 PM 13/11/07
Haven't read all the posts, so sorry if someone has already mentioned this -
I was researching this question the other day when I came upon this page of how to run OSx86 from a thumb drive! Groovy, ey?
I can't really remember how I got to the page, but it was from wiki somewhere.
da5id_nz
curtisearl
Posted 8:19 PM 13/11/07
awesome write. daily I'm amazed by the how lame these supposed IT professionals are. The purpose of this hack isn't to save a couple hundred dollars. Anyone can save up and by a Mac. this is a hack, which means to say that the journey is the purpose here.
I'm going to give this a shot because it might be fun... not because i want to use OS10.5... which I dont.
curtisearl
whiskey
Posted 9:16 PM 13/11/07
Kinda reminds me (sorry to double post) the days when DOS was running on non-IBM hardware...
whiskey
whiskey
Posted 9:15 PM 13/11/07
The most interesting things people say this days. There's a lot of value on knowing this kind of stuff simply because it lets you know about building computers and installing OS's. I am one that supports the idea of buying the OS and building a machine tailored to your needs and budget.
Now, on the other hand, you can also choose not to read the post, and keep on using your hardware and software. By any means, if you are willing to do this, then i MUST suggest you try also Linux. I know, i know. But i suggest this simply because there's some value on learning to do things DIFFERENTLY.
I think that we can all agree that Vista is not near where they promised it would be and that is maybe why people are seeking out choices. OSX86 Leopard is one now, and i would wish Apple capitalized this idea by selling the Apple Leopard at the same price plus a "Systems Developer" (if you will) or "General Hobbyist" (if you won't) version that had a slight markup and the needed stuff for it to run on a PC. Granted, they could rely on the "OSX86 project champs" tests about supported hardware and drivers.
So Apple, are you willing? I think lots of people potentially interested in your OS on a PC flavor for say... $75 or $100 more? You could also enter the arena by providing the hardware yourselves (No firewire? No problem! No Airport? Buy one from us!).
Now i need to make some money to buy this stuff (or try it on my tired but already OSX86 tested P4 gateway).
Don't kill the messenger by the way!
Good article indeed!
whiskey
dbr
Posted 9:01 PM 13/11/07
"I'm planning on bringing some benchmarks to the table soon so you have a better idea how this machine matches up to its Mac counterparts"
Benchmarks are rather meaningless for showing how quick an OS is - all it's proving is how quick the hardware is (And unless you run it on identical hardware for both the official Mac box and your home-built one, you can't really compare the two)
I'd be more interesting in how well everything works, like the Quartz/Core Animation stuff, various network interfaces (ethernet/airport/bluetooth/firewire etc), how various reliably various software runs (Especially things like Final Cut Pro, or Motion), how stuff like TimeMachine works etc.
dbr
marksman7328
Posted 10:05 PM 13/11/07
@whiskey: +1
marksman7328
endless
Posted 11:07 PM 13/11/07
@areyoukidding:
i strongly disagree with your argument.
most of "the millions" that apple chooses to ignore are fairly well suited by one of their current offerings. they could easily cover alot more by introducing a minitower model, same price as a imac, trading out the built in monitor for more power and expandability.
i love my hackintoshes, but they are not even close to ready for primetime.
endless
Stealth
Posted 11:00 PM 13/11/07
another idea on this article that I might actually suggest to a friend of mine. The situation, someone that has some very good hardware in his XP machine but wants the video editing capabilities of final cut pro with out the MASSIVE overhead of buying both FCP and a good mac to run it on just to see if he likes it. Yes it might take so interesting times legally acquiring a copy of leopard, but isn't that the whole idea of this "It can be done" and in this case I might recommend my friend do it so he can play with FCP see if it's worth the overhead, and if so he'll probably buy a mac anyway, but if he finds out that for his skills/purposes adobe premier is plenty then he's just saved himself the cost of system he doesn't need.
Stealth
guriboy
Posted 10:59 PM 13/11/07
I submitted this to Reddit and it's been on the front page most of today... lots of comments over there.
[reddit.com]
The best part of the deal is that I only charge 10 cents per clickthrough. :-)
guriboy
areyoukidding
Posted 12:56 AM 14/11/07
@endless: Who said they were? My argument is not that the Hackintosh is the current leader. My argument is that this is where the changing tide begins. If you look at the scene releases of 10.4.6 (or earlier) and the scene releases coming out now (10.5), you'll notice an AMAZINGLY drastic difference in performance and compatibility on all sorts of different system configurations. Just the fact that 10.5 can run with a minimal number of patchings from the original DVD is a huge step. Additionally, the gap between the way genuine Macs are constructed and what the average, no-brain user can build from spare parts is narrowing significantly. My argument is that it is only a matter of time before the consumer (or pro-sumer, if you will) begins to ask questions of Apple. So far, Apple has prided themselves on solid, performance-driven hardware. What happens when users like us can provide that for ourselves? Obviously not having updates or full component compatibility is an issue to drive some users (a good number judging from the responses on this article) back home to Apple, but what happens when updates work and nearly all hardware is compatibile with minimal patching? Will customer service and a flashy ego be enough to constitute paying an extra $2000? Oh, and I forgot, you have to pay extra for that customer service after the 1-year warranty runs out, so I guess that's NOT what you're paying for when you buy the system after all. Add some extra cost to that subtotal. For that money, you could build 3 hackintoshes, having two of them as a back-up when one goes down. Anyone else sick of this debate? Me too. Have fun building your hackintoshes. If you need help, you'll find me in the osX86 forums. Cheers.
areyoukidding
Al Iguana
Posted 2:31 AM 14/11/07
Oh yeah, the the old "Apple make their money from hardware" arguement is bogus too. What is so different about a Mac Pro? Osx. What makes an iPod so good? OSX. Why is the iPhone the "Product of the year"? OSX. I would say, Apple make their money from putting their OS (which is ultimately what everyone wants) onto overprices hardware with a nice case.
Microsoft are the richest/biggest company in the world - do they need to "make money from hardware"?? No, because you can pick up a copy of Windows and install it on anything you like. Apple should be pursuing this model... a whitebox/preinstalled on Dells version of OSX would half Microsoft's market-share overnight, I guarantee it. Jobs won't risk his position by attempting it though, which in the long term seems silly. Someone needs to talk some sense into the Apple AGM. (The other) 90% of the PC market is there for Apple's taking, if they just stop their reliance on hardware.
Al Iguana
NineTailedFox
Posted 3:05 AM 14/11/07
@mbren28568:
"I've contemplating getting a mac in the past... (but) I just can't deal with the "MAC IS A LIFESTYLE, MAN" fanboy, mac hippies."
Why would you have to?
NineTailedFox
mohkahn
Posted 2:58 AM 14/11/07
Sorry if my request to you lawyers wannabe guys does not go down well here but no disrespect intended. Would you guys please find a better appropriate avenue / venue to fight each other on license terms issues? Cos we hobbyists and thrill seekers are still waiting answers for the following questions:
@adam:
1)most important question? Do we need a mac, a running functioning mac to patch the DVD? Cos you wrote, "To patch the Leopard install disc, you'll need a Mac and a pre-patched image of the Leopard installer on your desktop"
meaning XP/Vista desktop or mac desktop? Please clarify.
2) How does one open and edit a script?
your wrote "Now open the 9a581-patch.sh shell script" Again, does this have to be done in mac?
3)Same question for the following suggestion: "The top of the file, replace XXX with your username on your Mac (so that it reflects the path to your current desktop)"
4)you said" open up terminal type sudo"
and "the patch took at least an hour on my macbookpro"
So I am assuming answers to all my above questions is yes. we need a mac to patch the DVD? Please confirm.
5)Size of the thumb drive? that we have to use to patch the system after it has been installed? does it have to be more than 5gb at least? What's the minimum size that we can use? or the file sizes that we will be putting on this thumb drive, so we can use an appropriate size thumb drive.
Thanks if Adam or anyone else can comment on these for us noobs.
@GEIMAN: Please explain in details your suggestion and workout, cos they are very linux like instruction, do this open that, type that, and u are done. More detailed help will be appreciated.
@Radically hip: is your suggestion working? workable, any feedback from anyone yet?
Thanks to you all.
mohkahn
roadrage
Posted 2:54 AM 14/11/07
"stick-it-to-the-man" steal an apple, install your linux distro of choice, and run a pirated copy of windows in virtualbox!
run linux, all others suck...nuff said.
roadrage
RabbitRun
Posted 4:30 AM 14/11/07
Why would you have to?
Because, when I googled "disable OSX startup sound", I ended up on a message board where somebody was telling people in all seriousness that one shouldn't do that and how he/she was always happy when he/she heard the OSX startup sound somewhere at uni, as it gave him/her the cozy feeling that there are other Mac users around.
Or when I googled "OSX backspace delete key change", so that I could delete files by hitting a single key instead of two, somebody seriously answered that it would be dangerous to delete files in that way and that having to hit two keys was a great thing, as it gave me an extra layer of protection from accidentally deleting files.
Anecdotal evidence, I know, but this attitude drives me up the wall.
RabbitRun
nsxstorm
Posted 6:18 AM 14/11/07
@Al Iguana: Except that then Apple would need to support OS X on a much larger variety of hardware. That will never happen.
Part of the Apple mantra is that what they sell "just works". This wouldn't be the case (driver issues, etc.) if OS X was sold to be installed on any intel-based machine, and their image would take a hit.
nsxstorm
2kreative
Posted 7:12 AM 14/11/07
lol @ angry fanboys
2kreative
NineTailedFox
Posted 8:43 AM 14/11/07
@roadrage:
"run linux, all others suck...nuff said."
Not kwite nuff. I like Linux, but for "pro audio", it's very, very, very far from even approaching a point at which it could begin to compete with XP or OSX.
NineTailedFox
NineTailedFox
Posted 8:39 AM 14/11/07
@RabbitRun:
LOL! OK, fair point. The worst one I saw was over the whining MacBook Pro issue; someone arguing that as Apple didn't specify the noise levels at which the computer would run, there was no problem, and it was really the buyer's fault for making unfounded assumptions that their new computer wouldn't shred their eardrums with banshee-like squeals. And when I made unfavourable comments about my 2G nano once, I was told that I was lying about owning one, and spreading anti-Apple propaganda...
Actually, given the TV ads and the general cloying smugness that oozes from Cupertino, and the kind of people we're talking about, it is actually faintly embarrassing to be a Mac user. But still, I don't think it's much of an argument against (ugh) "switching". And if you're talking about a desktop, it can stay behind closed doors and nobody has to know.
NineTailedFox
jeff303
Posted 9:47 AM 14/11/07
@whiskey: What you're suggesting isn't a radical idea at all. Apple has tried it and it was by all accounts a financial disaster for the company. See [en.wikipedia.org]
jeff303
fadecomic
Posted 9:45 AM 14/11/07
@nsxstorm: Oops, I see you already made my point.
fadecomic
fadecomic
Posted 9:41 AM 14/11/07
One thing being overlooked in this business model discussion is the fact that controlling the hardware means you get greater control over the software. If you know what hardware you're going to be running your OS on, you can tailor your OS (and the compiler) specifically for it. Windows is at a disadvantage here, because Microsoft must build for the lowest common denominator machine. This to me was always the chief advantage of controlling your hardware. Linux/BSD users have this advantage as well (especially with distros like Gentoo), but they suffer from the inaccessibility problem, and pre-built versions like Ubuntu and Fedora pretty much negate that advantage.
fadecomic
jamar0303
Posted 9:07 AM 14/11/07
I love my Apple reseller- when I asked them about using Leopard on a PC (Macbook Pro is too fragile compared to the Panasonic T5 I currently use) they said "Bring in your computer, we'll have a look and see if it can run Leopard or not." Brought it in- not Leopard, only Tiger. Installed Tiger and I am a happy ex-PC user. It pains me when I have to reboot into XP for some stuff for Biology class because Tiger runs twice as fast (I never expected such performance from a 1.2GHz Core Solo and 512MB RAM- I get <1min boot times in Tiger vs 3min boot in XP).
jamar0303
badsandwich
Posted 9:05 AM 14/11/07
i was a long-time windows user, and was looking at doing this a while back. instead i just went out and bought a mac pro. i've never looked back. sure the hardware's good, the os is good too once you get used to it. but for me it's a sum of parts situation. for the last 6 months or so since i made the switch, i never worry about drivers or incompatibilities. i don't have to spend hours troubleshooting erroneous problems: everything just works. to me that's worth much more than squeezing a little extra performance or saving a few bucks. same reason i play games on an xbox rather than a pc.
badsandwich
glasswindow
Posted 10:08 AM 14/11/07
Better yet, those of you that have an old G5, reuse the parts. You may have to get a new power supply, otherwise you're looking at $566 to upgrade your G5 to a new core-duo. Not bad. One final thought is that it may take some creativity to get the motherboard to fit inside the chassis. I'm not sure how well the Asus boards compare to the PPC boards.
glasswindow
HeartBurnKid
Posted 12:05 PM 14/11/07
@iFrodo:
I'm not really sure where you're getting your figures from here. Going on newegg.com, I can get a Samsung 24-inch LCD for $449 before rebate, $399 after, not the 330+270=$500 figure you quote in your post (and if I settle for a generic, I can go even cheaper, down to $369. But, just to keep things fair, I'll go with Samsung, which is a brand name with a good rep). Considering that the build quotes $150 for 4 1GB sticks of RAM, 1GB would be $37.50, much less than the $150-90=60 you mention. And you stipulate $63 for an Apple keyboard and mouse, which defeats the purpose of this post: substituting expensive Mac hardware with cheaper, non-Mac equivalents. A generic keyboard and mouse can be had for $15 total. The motherboard selected features onboard IEEE 1394, so no need for a controller on that.
So, let's revise this a bit:
- ASUS P5WDH Deluxe -> 135$
- Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2GHz -> 105$
- 4 x 1GB PC5400 DDR2 Memory sticks -> 150$
- 500 GB SATA Hardrive (Seagate) -> 100$
- DVD+/-RW Burner -> 25$
- Antec case with 380W PSU -> 130$
- GeForce 7300 GT -> 54$
- Logitech basic keyboard & mouse -> 35$
- An average 20" widescreen LCD -> 330 $
- Leopard OS -> 129$
Total, screen included: 1193$
- Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz -> +10$
- Radeon HD2600 Pro 256MB -> -5$
- HDD 320 GB -> -40$
- 1GB DDR2 Memory -> -112.50
- USB Bluetooth 2.0 stick -> +20$
- Firewire 800 controller card -> +0 (on-board)
- Generic mouse and keyboard -> $15
- 1.3 MPixels webcam autofocus (the iSight is autofocus), Quickcam Pro 9000-> +76$
- 24" Widescreen LCD -> +69$
- iLife 08 -> +79$ (as iLife is included with every new Mac)
->$1228.50
iMac 24" price -> 1800$
Well, will you look how much I saved now...
HeartBurnKid
CyberSkull
Posted 11:54 AM 14/11/07
@HeartBurnKid: The stickers come with OS X. :)
CyberSkull
djnrempel
Posted 11:31 AM 14/11/07
IAAL, although I don't really practice Intellectual Property law. However, what I recall from the copyright class I took in law school is that part of copyright is that it prohibits anyone but the author from modifying the author's work.
The short version: so even if you buy/own a legal copy of OSX, you are probably violating copyright when you apply the patch.
The even shorter version: run linux. Srsly. I just installed Ubuntu 7.10 this weekend and with the Compiz Fusion window manager it makes OSX look like Windows 3.1. Okay, that's an overstatement, OSX is beautiful, but so is my shiny new linux cost. I previously ran Ubuntu exclusively for about 10 months but eventually went back to XP because of a few minor annoyances, like lack of NTFS support. Those have been fixed, so I think I'm a linux user for good now.
Oh, and Ubuntu is running like a dream on a used system I picked up for $200. Legally.
djnrempel
iFrodo
Posted 4:18 AM 14/11/07
OK, let's do the maths:
- ASUS P5WDH Deluxe -> 135$
- Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2GHz -> 105$
- 4 x 1GB PC5400 DDR2 Memory sticks -> 150$
- 500 GB SATA Hardrive (Seagate) -> 100$
- DVD+/-RW Burner -> 25$
- Antec case with 380W PSU -> 130$
- GeForce 7300 GT -> 54$
- Logitech basic keyboard & mouse -> 35$
- An average 20" widescreen LCD -> 330 $
- Leopard OS -> 129$
Total, screen included: 1193$
Just for information, if I configure it like a 24" iMac, replacing corresponding part by:
- Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz -> +10$
- Radeon HD2600 Pro 256MB -> -5$
- HDD 320 GB -> -40$
- 1GB DDR2 Memory -> -90$
- USB Bluetooth 2.0 stick -> +20$
- Firewire 800 controller card -> +25$
- Apple mouse & keyboard (to be fair) -> +63$
- 1.3 MPixels webcam autofocus (the iSight is autofocus), Quickcam Pro 9000-> +76$
- 24" Widescreen LCD -> +270$
- iLife 08 -> +79$ (as iLife is included with every new Mac)
-> 1601$
iMac 24" price -> 1800$
You gain 200$, but you lose space and you get a ton of cables (for the webcam, the screen...etc.).
Does this gain in space, elegance and almos cable free desktop worth 200$, it's up to you to decide :)
iFrodo
pthomsen
Posted 4:03 AM 14/11/07
@areyoukidding: You're missing an important point: Most people don't care about building their own computers, they just want stuff that works. Apple provides that, and at relatively competitive prices (when compared to other vendors that build to order). Computers are becoming commoditized, like cars. Very few people build their own cars these days. Same thing with computers. I don't know if Apple is going to continue to be successful, but they are definitely going in the right direction.
Also, where are you getting your $2000 figure from? Comparing building a similarly equipped machine (notwithstanding the cases and industrial design of Apple), is certainly not $2000 cheaper. I did a quick test at NewEgg, picking the same or similar components as the default Mac Pro at the Apple online store. The price of the Apple is $2,499, and the components alone (including case, MoBo, CPUs, memory, Disk, DVD Drive, kbd/mouse, graphics card) priced out at $2,344. Add to that $129 for OS X, and you're at $2,473, a staggering $26 difference. Where did your $2,000 difference come from?
pthomsen
Lone_Wolf
Posted 3:06 AM 14/11/07
I have DELL Inspiron 1520 laptop, can I install Mac OS X on it?
My hardware:
Intel 2 Core Duo
2 GB RAM
120 GB HD
Graphic: Intel Graphics Accelerator X3100
Lone_Wolf
crash1105
Posted 2:06 AM 14/11/07
For those of you saying that Macs are overpriced think of this
macbook $1299 divide that price by 3 iwork $79
$459 per year plus
Resale value at three year mark on craigslist.org $500
cost of new mac in three years $1299 minus $500 equals $799
New dell same specs
$999 plus microsoft word $299 divide by three (if it makes it that long) plus anti virus ant spyware $207
$501 per year
Resale value at three year mark on craigslist.org $300
wow and I left out cost of a visit from a guy like me when your kid deletes
a directory and crashes your dell $220 now which is cheaper??????????????
crash1105
dstewart
Posted 1:40 AM 14/11/07
This Hackintosh isn't quite comparing apples and apples. While this is creative, it also doesn't account for the value of time and . . . well, the value of hardware and software. This project is much more comparable to buying a Mac Mini than any Apple Mac system, because it is missing the peripherals and software. Once you equalize these (because you can't just say, "Well, I already have some of the hardware," because then you'd have to price compare it to a Mini, and you'd probably lose there), this Hackintosh costs more than a Macintosh. I will demonstrate:
To be truly comparable about price (or at least more truly, anyway), by being more comparable about hardware and software, let's downgrade a few things in this specification and then add what's missing.
Downgrade to:
2.0GHz Core 2 Duo CPU $129.99
1 GB RAM $22.99
250 GB hard drive $74.99
Leaving the video card, even though it has 256MB RAM, because an equivalent ATI with 128MB is more expensive
Add:
Display 20" LCD $199.99
Mouse $9.99
Keyboard $14.99
Camera $47.99
Speakers $38.99
iLife software $74
Operating System, Leopard OS X $109.99
Shipping $64.47 (NewEgg)
Okay, now we're at least getting much closer to Apples to apples.
With these items added, and starting from the speced hardware here, NewEgg gives a total cost (after rebates) of:
$1200.30
Now, let's see what the most comparable (because I tailored my downgrades and additions for this purpose) Mac would cost. That would be the 20" bottom-of-the-line iMac, same RAM, processor, hard drive. Price of that machine is:
$1199.00 (shipping is free from Apple)
Hmm.
For a buck-thirty more, I assemble my own Hackintosh OSx86 machine, hack the install disk and install the OS, and then have to leave the OS DVD in the drive to start my system up. And: I also get to devote about three times the space in my office for the hardware. And I also forego my unified, single-source warranty coverage, and also have an OS that can be broken by a software update.
The creativity is remarkable, but really, the comments here saying this shows how overpriced Apple hardware is, or how shortsighted Apple is being by not selling a special OS X box for people who want to make their own systems, are irrefutably and drastically wrong. A true (or at least more true) apple to Apple comparison, as I've just done above, demonstrates that.
Hackintosh: $1200. Macintosh: $1199.
dstewart
jgunnink
Posted 12:33 AM 14/11/07
The comments on this article underscore what I've always secretly guessed to be the case, that a hardcore Mac user has a much less nuanced understanding of how a computer really works than a hardcore PC user. In fact, I would argue that's why they would pick a Mac in the first place, because they don't care to know. But they will also pay the price for their lack of understanding.
Building your own computer from parts purchased on Newegg is not only liberating, but also tremendously educational and cost-efficient at the same time. I am going to be building a computer soon with an Intel quad-core processor, a 768 Mb videocard and 2 Mb of ram for the tidy sum of $1,500 (Vista OS included). The idea that I could run Leopard on it as well is very exciting.
I think this article is brilliant and gives life to the dream of complete hardware agnosticism. How about a quadruple OS system with Leopard, Vista, XP and Ubuntu linux (ahem) to boot.
jgunnink
qkmbr22
Posted 11:31 PM 13/11/07
First of all, great article! If I had an extra $800 laying around I'd try this just for the hell of it. But I don't and I already have a fairly new macbook.
Secondly, to those who are suggesting that Apple should sell a version of OS X that would easily and legally install on PC hardware, yes, that would be nice. But they won't do it, because Apple has a reputation for stable systems, and that is partially due to designing their systems for their specific hardware.
Thirdly, to those of you who are complaining that this article is promoting pirating of Leopard and installing it illegally on PC hardware, shut the fu©k up and mind your own business. If you don't believe this is ethical, then don't do it. But let others decide for themselves. And don't worry about your precious Apple, they won't go broke from a few pirated copies of OS X.
qkmbr22
BMH
Posted 8:19 PM 13/11/07
@AREYOUKIDDING
I seriously don't get what you are talking about mate. You are one of these types who are obsessed with the fastest processors and most powerful machines dogma aren't you?
I mean you really don't seem to care about build quality. Just this huge ego driven requirement for speed on the cheap!!!
I have been in the computer industry now for around 14 years and whenever I go to a site where they use Macs (print companies, design houses, ad agencies etc) the place looks tidy and the Macs are aesthetically pleasing and apart from the odd hard drive wearing out over time or the odd bad DIMM module the Macs never seem to die.
Open up a Mac and you will see beautifully designed interiors with high quality materials. Mac Pro for example. it is a beautiful feat of engineering. Look inside an average PC, even one of supposed good build quality and you see a mess of innards. Cheap and cheerful design with many many poorly made components and boards that are begging to go wrong.
I seriously cannot remember going to a clients to discuss requirements and NOT seeing a beige box PC with the box removed. in fact I went to a friends house the other day and his case was off. I asked why and he said he never puts the case back on his PC. It's always going wrong and needs new bits. this is par for the course in the PC world and many people see this as normal.
Now what about your argument that Macs are expensive. Sell a Mac on ebay after 2 years and you get a good price for your box. Try actually selling a 2 year old PC on Ebay. You might get a tenner or twenty quid if you're lucky. Max £50. You're talking £250 for a Mac Mini, £350 -£400 for an iMac, £550 - £750 for a PowerMac G5. Take this into consideration and you then realise how poor an investment you made hacking away.
Also Vista. look how expensive that is. Compare Vista ultimate full version (not upgrade) to Leopard and you can see how you get a better deal with Macs not only for software but for hardware as well. And building your own is way too expensive if you factor in your time. Or is your time worthless? Mine is £50 per hour. So after a whole day of faffing with the hardware and installing and hacking leopard we're talking £350 (7 hours).